Why so much hatred towards this name?

Rod · Post by **Rod** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:18 pm

DemonRin wrote:
Rod wrote:
Casual Matt wrote:So where did this whole Mark thing come from?
http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=10196

@DemonRin
his name isn't Mark Satan, just Mark. Mr.Satan is just his ring name

DemonRin wrote:And I know Mr. Satan is apparently his Stage name, and Mark is his real name, I was trying to include both when I said that.
Yay!! Reading is Fun!!

Anyway, I see Her-cule in DBZ the same way I see Roronoa Zolo in One Piece. It's NOT the character's name, and it reminds me of the terrible dub.
It's Mr. Satan and Roronoa Zoro.

Let's pretend that didn't happen. Laziness rules all!

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Tue May 05, 2009 11:46 pm

I understand why they changed the name from their POV even if I don't care for it. I do find it amusing however that said conservative parents would have been totally fine with how many hundreds of episodes of violence and genocide and magic but this one idiot named Satan would just make things completely unacceptable.

Post by **Herms** » Wed May 06, 2009 12:00 am

Casual Matt wrote:So where did this whole Mark thing come from?

Toriyama revealed that Mister Satan's real name was "Mark" in his Q&A in the recently released Super Exciting Guide-Character Volume. There's no division between family and personal names in the gerion he's from, so his real name is simply "Mark" (and not "Mark Satan" or any such thing).

Michie · Post by **Michie** » Wed May 06, 2009 8:09 am

Maybe i'm the only one but i like the name Her-cule, it's only a stage name anyway.

. I do find it amusing however that said conservative parents would have been totally fine with how many hundreds of episodes of violence and genocide and magic but this one idiot named Satan would just make things completely unacceptable.

Same goes for Naruto, little kids killing each other is fine but showing a kid smoking is unacceptable. (not that i'm a smoker btw)

Velasa · Post by **Velasa** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:31 pm

Especially because what I've heard tells me that said smoking is sort of an important plot point for the character, not some off the bat "lol, smoking is so cool" thing. It's important for the character and taking it away shallows the whole point. (I get my Naruto information secondhand from a Shikamaru fangirl so my info may be overstated, as a note)

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat May 09, 2009 6:12 pm

I really don't see the point in complaining about it considering the fact that all you have to do to avoid the Hercule name is by just avoiding the edited dub and only watching the uncut version.

jda95 · Post by **jda95** » Sat May 09, 2009 6:17 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I really don't see the point in complaining about it considering the fact that all you have to do to avoid the Hercule name is by just avoiding the edited dub and only watching the uncut version.

Um, Hercule is still said plenty of times there too.

The Tori-bot · Post by **The Tori-bot** » Sat May 09, 2009 7:04 pm

jda95 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:I really don't see the point in complaining about it considering the fact that all you have to do to avoid the Hercule name is by just avoiding the edited dub and only watching the uncut version.
Um, Mr. Satan is still said plenty of times there too.

Somebody get this lad a Filterby Pass!

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:34 pm

"Mr. Satan" to "Hercule" was probably the very least offensive of the dub censorship changes to me.

I mean, COME ON. There are crowds screaming "Satan! Satan! Satan!". It's kinda creepy in a society with strong Judeo-Christian western ideologies evident in the culture.

And besides, other than the name, he is quite likely the best represented of the speaking characters in the dub.

I'm probably in the minority though - I consider the Detective Conan name changes to be completely acceptable. =p

Post by **Herms** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:28 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:"Mr. Satan" to "Mr. Satan" was probably the very least offensive of the dub censorship changes to me.

I mean, COME ON. There are crowds screaming "Satan! Satan! Satan!". It's kinda creepy in a society with strong Judeo-Christian western ideologies evident in the culture.

I certainly understand the reason for changing his name (after Mister Satan helps Goku complete the Super Genki Dama, Goku says "Well done Satan! You might just be the Earth's true savior!"; talk about a line upsetting to any thin-skinned Christians), but what I and I think most other people have a problem with is that the particular solution that Funi and subsequently Viz (and the French dub first of all) went with was rather dumb. If the name needed to be changed, I think they should have at least tried for something closer to his original name, like Mister Saturn or Mister Savage or some such thing.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:36 pm

As much as I don't like the reasoning for the name change I can still accept it but did they really have to paint edit over every mention of Mr.Satan in the manga to read "Herc.ule"? If you want to call him Herc.ule fine but can we please just leave the art out of this? Would Christians really be upset over a car or a billboard that has the word "Satan" on it? If so all I can say is "oakily doakily neighboreenos!"

Super Ghost Kamikaze · Post by **Super Ghost Kamikaze** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:37 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:"Mr. Satan" to "Mr. Satan"

...God DAMMIT.

Herms wrote:I certainly understand the reason for changing his name (after Mister Satan helps Goku complete the Super Genki Dama, Goku says "Well done Satan! You might just be the Earth's true savior!"; talk about a line upsetting to any thin-skinned Christians), but what I and I think most other people have a problem with is that the particular solution that Funi and subsequently Viz (and the French dub first of all) went with was rather dumb. If the name needed to be changed, I think they should have at least tried for something closer to his original name, like Mister Saturn or Mister Savage or some such thing.

I personally don't think "Hercule" is all that bad for a fake-y wrestler/fighter name.

The REAL annoyance, to me, was the use of "Hercule Satan" as his name in the "uncut" dub, as though that was his "real" name rather than a ring name.

Somehow, Mr. Savage just sounds stupid to me, and Mr. Saturn sounds like he's trying to be a bad 70s super hero, really. But I suppose there's no universal scale of quality when it comes to such things.

Post by **Herms** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:59 pm

Although in chapter 396 (DBZ 202), during one of the shots of Satan's fans watching him at the Cell Games, if you look really, really closely, you can see one guy with a "Mr. Satan" shirt that Viz didn't edit (the shirt even almost kind of looks like it says "Mr. Saturn").

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sun May 10, 2009 5:29 am

Honestly, I can't imagine why people would hate the name H-ercule so much, though I do see both sides of the argument.

Funimation really had no right to go in and change the character's name, since it's not their work (yes, I know they hold the LEGAL rights to it in the USA, but Funimation didn't write Dragon Ball. Toriyama did). They shouldn't be pandering to "soccer moms" and the like; their job is to create and true and accurate translation.

But everytime the dreaded H-word comes up, that's not what people say. They just go on about how H-ercule is a stupid name and Mr. Satan is so much more fitting. What? Honestly, H-ercule is a much better and fitting name for the character. "YEAH!!! I am the World Champion!! I am the strongest in the world!!!!! My entire character's personality will revolve around this very false statement!!!! YEAH!!!!!" Yeah, I think H-ercule is a much more fitting name for the character than Mr. Satan--and that's taking the account the name pun he shares with Videl. Yes, I KNOW Mr. Satan is his original name created by Toriyama, but even after all this time (and I'm getting more and more attached to the Japanese version to the point where Masako Nozawa's Kamehameha Wave sounds more natural to me than Sean Schemmel's), but even at this point calling him Mr. Satan to me is like calling Goku "Bob". I don't see how "Mr. Satan" is a better and more fitting name for that character.

People go on about how if Funimaton HAD to change the name, then they should have changed it to Mr. Savage or Mr. Saturn or something. Those are ridiculous and dumber than either Mr. Satan or H-ercule could ever be (if you are of the belief that either Mr. Satan or H-ercule are dumb names). At least they changed the name to something that actually fits the character.

Post by **Herms** » Sun May 10, 2009 7:25 am

How is "Hercule" a more fitting name? Hercules and Mister Satan don't have much of anything in common.

Michie · Post by **Michie** » Sun May 10, 2009 9:09 am

Herms wrote:How is "Hercule" a more fitting name? Hercules and Mister Satan don't have much of anything in common.

When most people think of "hercules" they think of the strongest guy on earth. Exactly how Mr Satan sees him self (strongest guy).

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:26 pm

Herms wrote:How is "Hercule" a more fitting name? Hercules and Mister Satan don't have much of anything in common.

If VenomSymbiote's research about Hercules (or H-ercules, just in case the name filters assault the half-God) is accurate, then they have almost everything in common (minus the 'fro, I'm sure).

What do Mr. Satan and Satan have in common?

theoriginalbilis · Post by **theoriginalbilis** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:47 pm

"Her.cule" didn't bother me for the TV broadcasts. It's TV. The DVDs have the true name on them.

What does bother me is that they put "Her.cule" on all of the video games, even though those are T-rated and have nothing else edited or changed. Especially when FUNi actually did a decent job dubbing the games. They even have cursing and mention Hell in the games, but putting a censored name on it, kind of sours the experience a bit.

Truly annoying...

Post by **Herms** » Sun May 10, 2009 12:52 pm

Joey Batz wrote:If VenomSymbiote's research about Hercules (or H-ercules, just in case the name filters assault the half-God) is accurate, then they have almost everything in common (minus the 'fro, I'm sure).

I already pointed out that it wasn't too accurate.

What do Mr. Satan and Satan have in common?

They decieve people. And they both have afros.

Ramoro-san · Post by **Ramoro-san** » Tue May 12, 2009 2:06 am

Personally, I hate the aforementioned* name because, above all else, it's just a stupid-sounding name, plain and simple. Who thought of that anyways? ("Hey, let's just take the s off of Hercules and that can be our new name for Mr. Satan!" ... "Okay, sure...")
But I also think Mr. Satan is a stupid character, so whatever. No offense to any Mr. Satan fans.

*PS, I just now realized what this "name filter" is for the first time when I tried to type the H word here.

Ha, that's fucking awesome.