Recoome's Race?

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:34 pm

Dayspring wrote:But again, Goku and Gohan aren't in SSJ.

So you are saying they are required to stay in SSJ form in order for this movie to be canon? Interesting........

Post by **Herms** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:59 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:So you are saying they are required to stay in SSJ form in order for this movie to be canon? Interesting........

Why not? That's what they were shown doing in the manga, after all. Goku I suppose you could say had to "power down" for the interview, but why wouldn't Gohan be Super Saiyan?

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:14 pm

Herms wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:So you are saying they are required to stay in SSJ form in order for this movie to be canon? Interesting........
Why not? That's what they were shown doing in the manga, after all. Goku I suppose you could say had to "power down" for the interview, but why wouldn't Gohan be Super Saiyan?

Maybe it was Toei's mistake part? Everything else beside these is perfect.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:20 pm

Well, neither of them were particularly very powerful either. I'm not sure how long the film took to produce, but it came out about two months before the volume in which Son Gokû was fighting Cell, so...who knows...

Travis Touchdown · Post by **Travis Touchdown** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:00 am

Dayspring wrote:
As for why they weren't in Super Saiyan, Chi Chi nagged it out of them.
Considering we see in the manga that she was willing to put up with it, I don't see her nagging them.

I could see Chi Chi nagging at least Goku into oblivion since it was an interview for Gohan to attend a very good private school. She already dressed Goku up in a suit and was forcing him to memorize lines to say to the school's staff. She probably did the same to Gohan just so she could get a picture of him for his application. Goku could've told Gohan he didn't have to stay in Super Saiyan as long as he wasn't to be fair.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:44 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Herms wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:So you are saying they are required to stay in SSJ form in order for this movie to be canon? Interesting........
Why not? That's what they were shown doing in the manga, after all. Goku I suppose you could say had to "power down" for the interview, but why wouldn't Gohan be Super Saiyan?
Maybe it was Toei's mistake part? Everything else beside these is perfect.

Not really. We see what happens on the first day, and we're flat out told in both the manga and the anime that Goku spends most of the eight remaining days looking for the DBs while the others continued training. 8 days - X days - 2 (or 3) days in the movie - travel and healing time... Just doesn't work for me. Plus if Gohan was the ace in the hole, why was the strategy abandoned altogether in the movie? Especially since they almost lost?

DragonBalllKaiHD · Post by **DragonBalllKaiHD** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:16 pm

Dayspring wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Herms wrote: Why not? That's what they were shown doing in the manga, after all. Goku I suppose you could say had to "power down" for the interview, but why wouldn't Gohan be Super Saiyan?
Maybe it was Toei's mistake part? Everything else beside these is perfect.
Not really. We see what happens on the first day, and we're flat out told in both the manga and the anime that Goku spends most of the eight remaining days looking for the DBs while the others continued training. 8 days - X days - 2 (or 3) days in the movie - travel and healing time... Just doesn't work for me. Plus if Gohan was the ace in the hole, why was the strategy abandoned altogether in the movie? Especially since they almost lost?

Ok. Fine. How about Movie 9? It seems it works out very well with the manga, except Trunks's sword.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:51 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:
Dayspring wrote:
DragonBalllKaiHD wrote: Maybe it was Toei's mistake part? Everything else beside these is perfect.
Not really. We see what happens on the first day, and we're flat out told in both the manga and the anime that Goku spends most of the eight remaining days looking for the DBs while the others continued training. 8 days - X days - 2 (or 3) days in the movie - travel and healing time... Just doesn't work for me. Plus if Gohan was the ace in the hole, why was the strategy abandoned altogether in the movie? Especially since they almost lost?
Ok. Fine. How about Movie 9? It seems it works out very well with the manga, except Trunks's sword.

I feel 9 works with anime continuity, but not manga. The narration in book 35 tells us Trunks is only going back in time after killing Cell. The Trunks we see in movie 9 looks and is implied by Bulma's dialogue to have left somewhere in that three year gap. Judging by the hair, I say about 8 months into that gap (the time needed to recharge the time machine). Since this narration about only one trip is supposed to be missing from the anime, it works fine. The sword is easily explainable as simply being repaired either in that 8-month gap, or as a gift for Trunks when he came back.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:58 am

Back to the original topic of the thread...I've always wondered if the first humans weren't descended from a bunch of Saiyans who crash-landed on Earth. Over the millennia, on this planet with nothing too strong to give them a fight, their freakish powers and enormous food consumption could arguably work against them in the long run, so perhaps they simply evolved those traits away.

This could explain both why humans and Saiyans are close enough to crossbreed, as well as why humans speak the "common tongue" of outer space.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:03 pm

Thanos6 wrote:Back to the original topic of the thread...I've always wondered if the first humans weren't descended from a bunch of Saiyans who crash-landed on Earth. Over the millennia, on this planet with nothing too strong to give them a fight, their freakish powers and enormous food consumption could arguably work against them in the long run, so perhaps they simply evolved those traits away.

This could explain both why humans and Saiyans are close enough to crossbreed, as well as why humans speak the "common tongue" of outer space.

Another manga of Toriyama's (the same one that introduces the Kongaragattans) explains that a self-contained paradox is responsible for humanity's creation. After defeating the baddies, the good guys use a space ship to return themselves and two gorillas to Earth. While landing, they accidentally activate the ship's time machine and land in prehistoric times. The Gorillas stay behind and we learn they were Adam and Eve.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:13 am

Dayspring wrote:Another manga of Toriyama's (the same one that introduces the Kongaragattans) explains that a self-contained paradox is responsible for humanity's creation. After defeating the baddies, the good guys use a space ship to return themselves and two gorillas to Earth. While landing, they accidentally activate the ship's time machine and land in prehistoric times. The Gorillas stay behind and we learn they were Adam and Eve.

Humans and gorillas are two distinct branches of ape.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:15 am

And I hate closed time loops like that anyway.

Post by **Herms** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:37 am

Ah, but they're talking space gorillas, which makes more sense, somehow.

I never did like Pola and Roid's ending. It has nothing at all to do with the rest of the story, and the whole "aliens landing on Earth in ancient times turn out to be Adam and Eve" is such a cliche.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:06 am

Herms wrote:Ah, but they're talking space gorillas, which makes more sense, somehow.

I never did like Pola and Roid's ending. It has nothing at all to do with the rest of the story, and the whole "aliens landing on Earth in ancient times turn out to be Adam and Eve" is such a cliche.

Me too. It was a space opera, not a paradox story. Would have been more funny if the button was the self-destruct button and it ended with them being all burned/hurt on Earth. "At...at least we're finally back. Ow.."

EDIT: Or if the button launched a nuke and they blew up the Dragonworld moon again.