Who is worse? Goku (Boo Saga) or Vegeta (Cell Saga)?

[hleV]

He didn't imagine that Spopovich would try to kill Videl during the tournament.

Still an uncharacteristically psychotic thing for Goku to do. What happened there wasn't marital arts, it was brutality.

Sorry, but DBZGTKOSDH's argument is much better than yours. Goku's used to taking damage and feeling pain, it wasn't a big deal for him if Videl loses by getting beaten hard.

[DBZAOTA482]

He didn't imagine that Spopovich would try to kill Videl during the tournament.

Still an uncharacteristically psychotic thing for Goku to do. What happened there wasn't marital arts, it was brutality.

Sorry, but DBZGTKOSDH's argument is much better than yours. Goku's used to taking damage and feeling pain, it wasn't a big deal for him if Videl loses by getting beaten hard.

But Videl's not a Saiyan or even a superhuman, she's merely an athletically gifted human. Goku should know that. Also, Videl wasn't going to use that way. She was going to get her head crushed.

[DoomieDoomie911]

I'd have to say Cell arc Vegeta. I mean, he let Cell reach perfect form. How could Goku be any worse than that?

Goku has some competitively heinous stuff, like when he made Gohan watch as his girlfriend gets beaten to death by Spopovich...because it'd get him disqualified.

I still don't think that's as bad as letting an evil being that's going to destroy the planet live...

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I'd have to say Cell arc Vegeta. I mean, he let Cell reach perfect form. How could Goku be any worse than that?

Goku has some competitively heinous stuff, like when he made Gohan watch as his girlfriend gets beaten to death by Spopovich...because it'd get him disqualified.

I still don't think that's as bad as letting an evil being that's going to destroy the planet live...

Didn't Goku do that when he fought Fat Buu?

[ABED]

Do you honestly think that Goku would've simply watched as someone was killed just so his son wasn't disqualified? Does that in any way mash with what we know of Goku? It might look like Videl was going to die, but Goku obviously thought differently. As has been mentioned before, he wanted Buu to be defeated by someone in the living world. Even Old Kaioshin thought he was correct.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I don't agree with what Goku did though, he should have beaten Buu the first time or finished Vegeta quickly as a SSJ3. I'm not saying he's worse than Vegeta was, I'm just saying he made some stupid moves. If Goku started the fight with a full power kamehameha I'm convinced that would have finished Buu, then he would still have had time on earth to teach the boys fusion and go. Out of universe the manga would be over too quick so he couldn't finish him that easy, and he probably didn't come up with SSJ3 in the Vegeta fight.

[hleV]

But Videl's not a Saiyan or even a superhuman, she's merely an athletically gifted human. Goku should know that. Also, Videl wasn't going to use that way. She was going to get her head crushed.

So what you're saying is that the reason for why Goku didn't really care was because he's an ass, rather than because he's not smart enough? You may want to rethink that.

[ABED]

I don't agree with what Goku did though, he should have beaten Buu the first time or finished Vegeta quickly as a SSJ3. I'm not saying he's worse than Vegeta was, I'm just saying he made some stupid moves. If Goku started the fight with a full power kamehameha I'm convinced that would have finished Buu, then he would still have had time on earth to teach the boys fusion and go. Out of universe the manga would be over too quick so he couldn't finish him that easy, and he probably didn't come up with SSJ3 in the Vegeta fight.

Both things also would've required Toriyama planning ahead. Did he even think of SS3 when he came up with the chapters where Vegeta and Goku fought? Goku tells Piccolo he doesn't think he could've beaten Buu even at SS3.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I don't agree with what Goku did though, he should have beaten Buu the first time or finished Vegeta quickly as a SSJ3. I'm not saying he's worse than Vegeta was, I'm just saying he made some stupid moves. If Goku started the fight with a full power kamehameha I'm convinced that would have finished Buu, then he would still have had time on earth to teach the boys fusion and go. Out of universe the manga would be over too quick so he couldn't finish him that easy, and he probably didn't come up with SSJ3 in the Vegeta fight.

Both things also would've required Toriyama planning ahead. Did he even think of SS3 when he came up with the chapters where Vegeta and Goku fought? Goku tells Piccolo he doesn't think he could've beaten Buu even at SS3.

I was going In universe that's why I said that, out of universe it's obvious why Goku changed his mind so often, but in universe he was just lying to everyone I guess.

[DBZAOTA482]

But Videl's not a Saiyan or even a superhuman, she's merely an athletically gifted human. Goku should know that. Also, Videl wasn't going to use that way. She was going to get her head crushed.

So what you're saying is that the reason for why Goku didn't really care was because he's an ass, rather than because he's not smart enough? You may want to rethink that.

No, it's because the plot wouldn't let him.

[hleV]

So what you're saying is that the reason for why Goku didn't really care was because he's an ass, rather than because he's not smart enough? You may want to rethink that.

No, it's because the plot wouldn't let him.

Then what are you even doing in the "In-Universe Discussion" section of the forum?

[DBZAOTA482]

So what you're saying is that the reason for why Goku didn't really care was because he's an ass, rather than because he's not smart enough? You may want to rethink that.

No, it's because the plot wouldn't let him.

Then what are you even doing in the "In-Universe Discussion" section of the forum?

I'm talking about Kaioshin's plan. Kaioshin had spread the stupid virus on the Z-Senshi, and Goku somehow got infected.

[SSJ3_Gogeta]

When Kid Buu charged up his attack to destroy the Earth, Goku says that he can't stop it. However, he can fight Kid Buu at SSJ3, so why did he not use SSJ3 to try and stop the Earth destroying blast? This would spare everyone that was on the planet from certain death.

[DoomieDoomie911]

Goku has some competitively heinous stuff, like when he made Gohan watch as his girlfriend gets beaten to death by Spopovich...because it'd get him disqualified.

I still don't think that's as bad as letting an evil being that's going to destroy the planet live...

Didn't Goku do that when he fought Fat Buu?

No, because Goku wanted to stop Boo, but Vegeta stopped him.

[ABED]

When Kid Buu charged up his attack to destroy the Earth, Goku says that he can't stop it. However, he can fight Kid Buu at SSJ3, so why did he not use SSJ3 to try and stop the Earth destroying blast? This would spare everyone that was on the planet from certain death.

If Goku could've saved the Earth, he would've.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

No, because Goku wanted to stop Boo, but Vegeta stopped him.

You mean when he was Majin I take it? Why didn't Goku use SSJ3 and finish him then? Or use a full power Kamehameha to wipe out Fat Buu instantly when he fought him? He'd then still have time to teach the boys fusion because it would've been over in an instant.

I'm not saying Goku's worse than Vegeta, I'm just saying either one could have finished the villain early. He should have been pissed at Buu, he thought he killed his son, and Vegeta was dead too. I miss the Goku from the Freeza arc.

[ABED]

I get that this is an in universe discussion, but the leaps in logic such as the reasons why Goku didn't stop Buu or Vegeta despite being stronger come down to Toriyama not thinking ahead. Although, I will add that unless Goku was lying to Piccolo, he couldn't defeat Fat Buu, even as SS3.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

I get that this is an in universe discussion, but the leaps in logic such as the reasons why Goku didn't stop Buu or Vegeta despite being stronger come down to Toriyama not thinking ahead. Although, I will add that unless Goku was lying to Piccolo, he couldn't defeat Fat Buu, even as SS3.

Goku didn't want to use SS3 against Vegeta because he would easily beat him (thus not having an enjoyable fight) & he would loose time for the Living World.

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

I get that this is an in universe discussion, but the leaps in logic such as the reasons why Goku didn't stop Buu or Vegeta despite being stronger come down to Toriyama not thinking ahead. Although, I will add that unless Goku was lying to Piccolo, he couldn't defeat Fat Buu, even as SS3.

I know what you mean, In universe Goku's going to look like a douche, but that is what we're going by. Oh and at the start of the fight with Kid Buu Goku says something along the lines of, "When I fought Fat Buu I could have beaten him... But I wanted to give the kids something to do", so I'm sure he could have beaten him. Hell, maybe he didn't go SSJ3 against Vegeta because he wanted to unleash Buu and give the "Kids something to do".

[DoomieDoomie911]

No, because Goku wanted to stop Boo, but Vegeta stopped him.

You mean when he was Majin I take it? Why didn't Goku use SSJ3 and finish him then? Or use a full power Kamehameha to wipe out Fat Buu instantly when he fought him? He'd then still have time to teach the boys fusion because it would've been over in an instant.

I'm not saying Goku's worse than Vegeta, I'm just saying either one could have finished the villain early. He should have been pissed at Buu, he thought he killed his son, and Vegeta was dead too. I miss the Goku from the Freeza arc.

Well if that's what you meant then yes, but I was just sticking to the topic. I understand what you're saying though.