Who is worse? Goku (Boo Saga) or Vegeta (Cell Saga)?

[DBZAOTA482]

DBZAOTA482'S COMPARISON SERIES #3


As a general consensus among the fans of the respective characters, they were both at their lowest points of two particular story arcs. Cell Saga Vegeta for being a "whiny jerk", and Boo Saga Goku for being very indecisive. Follow users, who do you think was worse?

[Fox666]

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[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Probably Goku. Vegeta was still sorta in-character during the Cell saga. Now had this been Boo saga Vegeta....

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku. I don't think either are that bad but if I had choose, Goku.

Probably Goku. Vegeta was still sorta in-character during the Cell saga. Now had this been Boo saga Vegeta....

What's wrong with Buu saga Vegeta? He is in character.

[CaBrPi]

Goku. I don't think either are that bad but if I had choose, Goku.

Probably Goku. Vegeta was still sorta in-character during the Cell saga. Now had this been Boo saga Vegeta....

What's wrong with Buu saga Vegeta? He is in character.

Vegeta's all over the place in the Boo arc. All over the place. And there's little to no build-up for his life-changing decisions for the most part.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Goku. I don't think either are that bad but if I had choose, Goku.

Probably Goku. Vegeta was still sorta in-character during the Cell saga. Now had this been Boo saga Vegeta....

What's wrong with Buu saga Vegeta? He is in character.

Vegeta's all over the place in the Boo arc. All over the place. And there's little to no build-up for his life-changing decisions for the most part.

The build up is in his family life =/. Vegeta is in character the entire time. He wants to fight Kakarot. He realizes Kakarot is stronger so he allows himself to be possessed because he is just tired of all the work he puts in for nothing. After realizing he loves his family more than he hates Kakarot he decides to take the road of a good life.

[Kaboom]

In terms of making bad decisions that put everyone else and the Earth in peril? ...Wow, tough call.

Which is worse, allowing Perfect Cell to exist, or leaving the fate of the universe in the hands of Gotenks?

[TheMightyOzaru]

In terms of making bad decisions that put everyone else and the Earth in peril? ...Wow, tough call.

Which is worse, allowing Perfect Cell to exist, or leaving the fate of the universe in the hands of Gotenks?

Well Vegeta's prolonging of the Cell arc did lead to SSJ2 Gohan so we do have that as a plus.

[Chuquita]

Goku's Buu arc decisions.

In terms of sheer number of "why, just...why?" decisions, I think Buu arc Goku messed up the most. Even going to before Gotenks is necessary--Goku could have nipped the entire snowballing situation in the bud if he'd just gone ssj3 against Vegeta and instead of fighting him, knocked him unconscious instead. It'd rip a lot of his 24 hours away by doing so, and he wouldn't get a proper fight, but it stops Buu from being released. After Vegeta's KO'd and secured somewhere, Goku goes to catch up with Gohan and Kaioshin and they both go ssj2 together to take down Babidi and Dabura. Presumably after Babidi is killed the majin curse is lifted off of Vegeta so when he comes to he's alright in the head again. Things go back to normal, Kaioshin takes Buu's egg and seals it away somewhere even more distant than Earth, and Goku ends up having to return to the after life a few hours later.

[Herms]

As far as Cell goes, the situation wouldn't have even reached the point where they had to worry about Cell becoming completed if Goku had gone along with Bulma's suggestion to take out Gero before he built the androids Trunks warned them about.

[TheMightyOzaru]

As far as Cell goes, the situation wouldn't have even reached the point where they had to worry about Cell becoming completed if Goku had gone along with Bulma's suggestion to take out Gero before he built the androids Trunks warned them about.

Actually Cell comes from a third future. He would have come into the picture eventually and he is near 17 and 18. Even if they had trained they would have the misfortune of fighting and losing to Cell.

[dprez]

"The Doom of the Saiyans", brought on by the last of the full-bloods, Son Goku and Vegeta.

Allowing Cell, and then Boo, to run loose unopposed....

Goku is only worse because of the level of the enemy and number of allies left to fight in his place.

[CaBrPi]

What's wrong with Buu saga Vegeta? He is in character.

Vegeta's all over the place in the Boo arc. All over the place. And there's little to no build-up for his life-changing decisions for the most part.

The build up is in his family life =/. Vegeta is in character the entire time. He wants to fight Kakarot. He realizes Kakarot is stronger so he allows himself to be possessed because he is just tired of all the work he puts in for nothing. After realizing he loves his family more than he hates Kakarot he decides to take the road of a good life.

"I will never fight again," said Vegeta, after being surpassed by Kakarot's "brat". Then Vegeta grows up... until he hears of Goku's return, at which point he's willing to put aside literally all the development he's had over the course of several years (both in-universe and out) in order to have a good match. When he realizes he's screwed up in doing so, yeah, I'm okay with that. But THEN he does it AGAIN, refusing to fuse with Goku again despite knowing that it would doom the entire universe to total extinction. Then he watches Goku fight at full power, admits he's the greatest warrior (he literally admits defeat), and then goes straight back to "I will defeat you".

I honestly think that Vegeta's more in-character in the Cell arc than in the Boo arc. Cell arc Vegeta was an overconfident idiot, just like Namek arc Vegeta was after he "ascended". But at least he was consistent like that. The Boo arc wreaked havoc with the characterizations of quite a few characters.

In terms of making bad decisions that put everyone else and the Earth in peril? ...Wow, tough call.

Which is worse, allowing Perfect Cell to exist, or leaving the fate of the universe in the hands of Gotenks?

Well Vegeta's prolonging of the Cell arc did lead to SSJ2 Gohan so we do have that as a plus.

Boo wouldn't have gotten 50% of his energy in one go if Gohan couldn't have gone Super Saiyan 2.

But yeah, to address the topic, I'm gonna go with Goku here. As much as I like Mr. Satan in the Boo arc... Goku let Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Piccolo die. If Dende had died, Goku could've gone to New Namek easily.

[Saiga]

Hell, the Earth exploding meant no more Dragon Balls anyway! Sparing Dende was unnecessary. Definitely going with Goku on this one.

[CaBrPi]

Hell, the Earth exploding meant no more Dragon Balls anyway! Sparing Dende was unnecessary. Definitely going with Goku on this one.

Yup. And it's not like Dende HAD to be the emissary to the Namekians anyway... they already revered Goku for defeating Freeza.

[Deep Thought]

I would say that Goku was "worse" simply because he was the only one with any power to do anything in Boo Arc and the only one who could easily defeat Boo. This wasn't really the case for the Cell Arc, there were quite a few factors that contributed to Cell's completion. Most notably Kuririn acting like an idiot in regards to shutting off 18, which was almost as bad as what Vegeta did. I know that some people cite "love" but I don't know, that kind of makes it more contemptible. I mean, the Z-Warriors, particularly Piccolo and Tenshinhan, aren't just strangers to him, they are his comrades in battle and even, dare I say, his friends. Despite the fact that they don't talk to each other much, I'm pretty sure Piccolo and Tenshinhan would give their lives fighting if it meant saving/protecting Kuririn. Therefore I find it somewhat contemptible that Kuririn's response to the woman who nearly killed them is "I'm totally in love with her, I want to marry her." So I'd say he's as much to blame as Vegeta. There are also two, much smaller instances where I think other people are to blame. For one, as Herms mentioned, taking out Gero would have debilitated Cell severely. True, as TheMightyOzaru mentioned, Cell is from the future and pretty unrelated to the current Dr. Gero, but he'd still be extremely weakened. Without the Cyborgs for absorption, Cell doesn't have much upward momentum in terms of power boosts, and he'd be fairly weak. Honestly, unless Kami-Piccolo was hugely stronger than Vegeta, I feel like Vegeta, with the help of the rest of the Z-Warriors in a fairly close battle, could beat the initial Imperfect Cell that Kami-Piccolo fought. Sure, Cell could run and absorb humans and get stronger but, and again this is speculative, I think that that only really worked because the Z-Warriors were so preoccupied with everything else, namely the Cyborgs. I think if they were making a concerted effort and actively tried to find Cell, they'd do it before he absorbed too many people. Also, Cell was obsessed with absorbing the Cyborgs, as in, it was more than just gaining power, it was completing himself and was probably the only real thought running through his head at the time. Given that, I think Cell would either be severely demotivated or he might even try to use the time machine to escape to another time that has the Androids (which means that Cell will terrorize another Earth and another pair of Z-Warriors, but whatever, sucks for them). Finally, if 17 and 18 didn't act like total morons and ran when 16 told him to, they wouldn't be in this predicament in the first place. 16 would hold Cell off, then Vegeta and Trunks would come in time and probably kill them both. Cell could plead with Vegeta again, but I think he'd have a much harder time convincing Vegeta with, "Could you let me absorb 17? Oh, and 18, I need her to beat you, too. Oh, and would you be willing to wait a while? I don't really know where they are. (NOTE: In this scenario, 17 and 18 would've fled so far that they'd literally be on the other side of planet) Oh, and I'll need your help in beating 16, as I'm only kind of equal to him," especially since he was already hanging by a thread in the original story (seriously, look at the scene again, it took quite a bit of begging on Cell's part to convince Vegeta). Also even if Vegeta was convinced by this, he'd have a really hard time holding off Trunks, who would be chopping at the bit to kill Cell. So if the Cyborgs just ran, they'd have spared us a lot. Ultimately, there was a lot of factors contributing to Cell's completion, not just Vegeta.

What about Boo? Well, unless you want to get really ridiculous ("If Gohan was never the Great Saiyaman this wouldn't have happened!" "Videl technically started all of this"), it's a lot harder to find culprits other than Goku. There's Vegeta, who released Boo by fighting Goku, but in my eyes he repented by sacrificing himself in an attempt to take Boo out. Heck, while I think that Kaioshin is an idiot and kind of hate him (SO stupid and naive compared to Kaio-sama, yet he is supposed to be more esteemed than him?), I don't think there's anything he could have really done differently that would have truly changed the outcome. So Goku really was the only one who could really stop Boo, yet he didn't. Furthermore, Goku makes two, smaller missteps that have substantial consequences. Firstly, he should have turned Super Sayajin 3 against Majin Vegeta, it would have put him in his place and the threat would be averted. Goku says that Super Sayajin 3 would have drained too much time, but it would have only taken a single kick to beat Majin Vegeta, and besides, what is more important to Goku than fighting his now-stronger-than-ever rival, especially when the universe is at stake? Secondly, while Vegeta made a lot of missteps in the Boo Arc, he had a point that him and Goku should have intervened against Dabura . Gohan was very clearly struggling against him and I am in the camp that Dabura would have killed Gohan pretty soon, barring any rage boosts on Gohan's part. However, Goku stops Vegeta, saying that it "wouldn't be fair," but I'm pretty sure Gohan wouldn't have minded the help, I think that Goku misjudged Gohan's character was projecting himself onto him (he is somewhat guilty of this, see the Cell Arc), and Dabura openly challenged all three of them to fight him, so it wouldn't even be unfair to Dabura. So I think Goku made an error there, albeit a minor one, and if he didn't argue with Vegeta, Dabura wouldn't have overheard them and would in fact be dead, though it could be argued that Vegeta staged that drama in order to obtain the Majin power-up, so it's a little debatable. Still, though, Goku had far more power than anyone else to stop it all and he really neglected to use it until it was almost too late.

Summary: Goku in this case is worse than Vegeta because there was 17 and 18's stupidity, Kuririn's stupidity and the Z-Warrior's stupidity that played a role, however small, in helping Cell complete himself. Whereas in the Buu Arc, not only is no one besides Majin Vegeta culpable besides Goku, Goku is culpable of more than letting Boo live, he also inadvertently activated Boo.

[TheGreatness25]

I'd say Vegeta. He is whiney and way too thick-headed.

Goku's logic made sense in the Boo arc. He wanted the heroes of Earth to take care of their own mess because he was luckily there for just one day. He can't come back every time danger comes lurking. He also probably underestimated Boo and thought that there's no way Boo could be worse than Freeza or Cell. When he realized that Boo actually was (by seeing what Boo did to the others and by sampling Boo's power himself), Goku had almost no time left. He knew that he had to leave, so the last thing he could do is try to get Goten and Trunks to learn fusion so that they could stand a chance (being the only people left that could fight Boo). After that, Goku was gone.

Later on, Goku was pretty much giving it his all until Kid Boo appeared. Then Goku knew he could beat Boo and for the sake of Vegeta's sanity wanted tot one it down. However, it backfired.

In my opinion, the only thing Goku did during the Boo arc that is really questionable is giving a crap about Vegeta's pride. But maybe he thought Vegeta could beat Kid Boo too, which he was proven wrong.



As for Vegeta in the Cell arc, he just thought he was king shit until he got the crap beat out of him. Oh yeah, and his son out-did him.

[DBZAOTA482]

I'd say Vegeta. He is whiney and way too thick-headed.

Goku's logic made sense in the Boo arc. He wanted the heroes of Earth to take care of their own mess because he was luckily there for just one day. He can't come back every time danger comes lurking. He also probably underestimated Boo and thought that there's no way Boo could be worse than Freeza or Cell. When he realized that Boo actually was (by seeing what Boo did to the others and by sampling Boo's power himself), Goku had almost no time left. He knew that he had to leave, so the last thing he could do is try to get Goten and Trunks to learn fusion so that they could stand a chance (being the only people left that could fight Boo). After that, Goku was gone.

But it's two rookies he's entrusting the fight against a universal threat (warped flanderization of his teacher role from the Cell Saga). I don't think that's a good way to prepare them for perpetual threats.

[Zephyr]

I'd say Vegeta, if only because of his blatant dick-baggery.

[andrewtuell1991]

I'd say Vegeta. He is whiney and way too thick-headed.

Goku's logic made sense in the Boo arc. He wanted the heroes of Earth to take care of their own mess because he was luckily there for just one day. He can't come back every time danger comes lurking. He also probably underestimated Boo and thought that there's no way Boo could be worse than Freeza or Cell. When he realized that Boo actually was (by seeing what Boo did to the others and by sampling Boo's power himself), Goku had almost no time left. He knew that he had to leave, so the last thing he could do is try to get Goten and Trunks to learn fusion so that they could stand a chance (being the only people left that could fight Boo). After that, Goku was gone.

You can spin Goku's logic anyway you want, but the fact is he choose leaving the fate of Earth to two kids whose only fighting experience was sparring against each and few fights against human kids in a tournament. I can understand Goku wanting to train Goten and Trunks to become Earth's future line of defense but he went about it in the most insane way thinkable. He should've killed Fat Boo and Babidi at West City but still of taught Goten and Trunks to the Fusion Dance and have Piccolo oversee their progress and training until the next villain arrived. That way when the next Space Monster/Demon/whatever attacked Earth their strength as Gotenks would've been more powerful and hopefully more mature to understand the gravity of the situation.

Later on, Goku was pretty much giving it his all until Kid Boo appeared. Then Goku knew he could beat Boo and for the sake of Vegeta's sanity wanted tot one it down. However, it backfired.

In my opinion, the only thing Goku did during the Boo arc that is really questionable is giving a crap about Vegeta's pride. But maybe he thought Vegeta could beat Kid Boo too, which he was proven wrong.

Filler. The events in the manga are thus: Pure Boo blows up Earth > Regenerates and warps straight to the Kaioshin planet instead of getting sidetrack by blowing up poorly drawn planets > Goku goes straight to SSJ3 instead of dicking around in SSJ2 > after only about 9 pages of fighting Vegeta gives his "You're Number One" speech > Vegeta switches out with Goku to give him his 1 minute to charge SSJ3 to its fullest.

And even then Goku's in the wrong. Instead of swallowing his post-Freeza arrogance, he rejects the Potara earrings and decides to take a chance against the unpredictable regenerating bubble gum monster who just destroyed an entire planet moments earlier under his one-track "I WANNA FIGHT STRONG OPPONENTS" mindset. One would think he'd give everything he had against a guy who killed his two sons and longtime friend/rival but nope, Goku doesn't give a shit because "DRAGONBALL FIX EVERYTHING!". Even Vegeta got angry over the loss of Trunks, would it kill Goku to give some indication he gives a shit about anyone but himself?