Discussion specifically regarding the "refreshed" TV version of DBZ created in Japan for its 20th anniversary, including individual threads for each episode.
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by Metalwario64 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:28 am
TheBlackPaladin wrote:dbzfan7 wrote:Swear words aren't adult, using em constantly is juvenile. Sure I'm okay if it's what was really said, but to add in swear words to be edgy is stupid.
Case-in-point, Anime Labs.
Anime Labs is good for a laugh at least.
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by Fizzer » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:03 am
I like the use of damn, hell (not the place), bastard, crap, piss and shit in Kai. It feels more natural and realistic for the situation. I also liked Vegeta's non-PC "spastic", and hope they stick with "retard" for Gohan in the Buu arc. However, I don't think the addition of "fuck" or "cunt" would help anything at all. They aren't used in the Japanese version so the tone would be unfaithful, and they can't convey anything that those milder words can't. Non-PC terms like "retard" are great for having the same shocking effect as "cunt". The Tucker-esque lines are best left to Abridged.
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by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 10:32 am
I wish they used more swear words other than damn, hell, and bastard. It just feels forced the way it is. Hell, Yamcha even called #18 a "bastard" and I'm thinking he should have called her a 'bitch' (YYH could do it why not Kai?). Clearly, they're heading for the edgy factor so why not take it a little step further?
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by WittyUsername » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:41 pm
Fizzer wrote:I like the use of damn, hell (not the place), bastard, crap, piss and shit in Kai. It feels more natural and realistic for the situation. I also liked Vegeta's non-PC "spastic", and hope they stick with "retard" for Gohan in the Buu arc. However, I don't think the addition of "fuck" or "cunt" would help anything at all. They aren't used in the Japanese version so the tone would be unfaithful, and they can't convey anything that those milder words can't. Non-PC terms like "retard" are great for having the same shocking effect as "cunt". The Tucker-esque lines are best left to Abridged.
I don't think that the whole "realistic dialogue" argument has any merit, otherwise characters would be dropping f-bombs left and right.
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by Fizzer » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:47 pm
WittyUsername wrote:Fizzer wrote:I like the use of damn, hell (not the place), bastard, crap, piss and shit in Kai. It feels more natural and realistic for the situation. I also liked Vegeta's non-PC "spastic", and hope they stick with "retard" for Gohan in the Buu arc. However, I don't think the addition of "fuck" or "cunt" would help anything at all. They aren't used in the Japanese version so the tone would be unfaithful, and they can't convey anything that those milder words can't. Non-PC terms like "retard" are great for having the same shocking effect as "cunt". The Tucker-esque lines are best left to Abridged.
I don't think that the whole "realistic dialogue" argument has any merit, otherwise characters would be dropping f-bombs left and right.
Well, yeah. I think, for example, a realistic Vegeta may very well be all "Fuck you Kakarot, you stupid, cock-sucking cunt", but you can have pretty much the same effect with lesser swear words. With words like "crap" and "bastard", you can get 80% of the realistic feel while the words are only 30% as "bad", and don't really shock anyone out of their DBZ-watching stupor.
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by ABED » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:43 pm
Realistic doesn't mean every character or even evil character would be dropping F-Bombs.
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by Kid Buu » Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:46 pm
When does Yamcha call Eighteen a bastard? And I agree with ABED, no need to overuse profanity.
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by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:57 pm
Kid Buu wrote:When does Yamcha call Eighteen a bastard? And I agree with ABED, no need to overuse profanity.
When #18 coldly shuts Kuririn down despite saving her life.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by TheGmGoken » Fri Jan 31, 2014 10:40 pm
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:I think "damn" is the only word that should be OK to use in the DBZK dub. Anything higher than "damn" just sounds weird and distracting.
I'll take Damn and Bastard. Seeing as there is a lot of scenes where bastard fitted perfectly. Such as Goku turning SSJ. Didn't Gohan(Kid) swear in JPN? You think Collen's Gohan would sound good swearing? Or is that over doingit?
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by TheBlackPaladin » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:28 am
I still remember being a tad (just a tad, but yes, a tad) bummed when Goku killed Freeza and he still shouted, "YOU FOOL!" instead of "YOU STUPID BASTARD!" like he did in the subs. I was really looking forward to hearing Schemmel deliver that line.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I can understand that change for the Nicktoons/CW4Kids/Vortexx-edited versions, but I was a tad bummed when I saw it was the same in the uncut version. Especially considering that Goku did say the word "bastard" earlier in the uncut dub.
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by BurakkuForesuto » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:35 am
I think the dub is way too weak when it comes to profanity. Crap is way too weak. I've heard crap in Hey Arnold several times. Damn is such a weak word, that it is not even profanity anymore. The edited dub of Yu Yu Hakusho used damn on Toonami, with zero complaints. Bastard isn't strong either. The dub should be using more shits and f-bombs. If someone realistically got punched into mountains, they wouldn't be like "Oh damn" or "Oh crap" they would be like, "Shit"" and "Fuck." Stronger words like asshole, fuck, shit, etc need to be used.
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by Metalwario64 » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:42 am
BurakkuForesuto wrote:The edited dub of Yu Yu Hakusho used damn on Toonami, with zero complaints..
I definitely remember that not being the case. I remember after it was edited they replaced things like "crappy" to "crummy". I'm pretty damn sure damn will still get you in trouble at school too.
Also, you seriously think they should say "fuck"? It's a show aimed at 10 year olds... I think it's become an annoying word since kids at school wouldn't stop saying it all the damn time, thinking it made them "more mature". Kai's dub would come off the same way.
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by LordCrumb » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:23 am
Maybe "Damn" is considered a swear word in American because of its association with "God damn you", so it's probably more blashphemy than an actual swear word, which I think gets the US audience in a tizz?
The original Planet of the Apes almost got a higher rating because of the "god damn you all to hell" scream at the end. The film makers had to explain he wasn't damning god, but asking God to damn those who blew the planet up.
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by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:44 am
LordCrumb wrote:Maybe "Damn" is considered a swear word in American because of its association with "God damn you", so it's probably more blashphemy than an actual swear word, which I think gets the US audience in a tizz?
The original Planet of the Apes almost got a higher rating because of the "god damn you all to hell" scream at the end. The film makers had to explain he wasn't damning god, but asking God to damn those who blew the planet up.
No, it's the "god" part that bothers censors and prudes. In fact if someone says God damn on a live show, "god" is often bleeped out.
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by DrBriefsCat » Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:44 pm
B wrote:Where in Dragon Ball would there even be context to use the word "cock?"
It was used in the subs in an early episode of Original Dragon Ball, but then again the use of bad language in those subs was thought to be a bit questionable.
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by TheGmGoken » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:52 pm
DrBriefsCat wrote:B wrote:Where in Dragon Ball would there even be context to use the word "cock?"
It was used in the subs in an early episode of Original Dragon Ball, but then again the use of bad language in those subs was thought to be a bit questionable.
What about "Cunt"? That sounds some Deadman Wonderland type of swear. I think Kai uncut is just fine with the swear words. I hate when cartoons overuse swear words just to try and be funny.
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by ABED » Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:04 pm
TheGmGoken wrote: I hate when cartoons overuse swear words just to try and be funny.
Or cool.
This isn't limited to cartoons. I'm not a big fan of shows using copious amounts of cuss words.
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by BlazingFiddlesticks » Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:25 am
TheBlackPaladin wrote:I still remember being a tad (just a tad, but yes, a tad) bummed when Goku killed Freeza and he still shouted, "YOU FOOL!" instead of "YOU STUPID BASTARD!" like he did in the subs. I was really looking forward to hearing Schemmel deliver that line.
While that would have been amazing, "You Fool" strikes me as the more "poetic" and tonal response, in what- paradox abound- might have been the most meta and self-aware time in Goku's life.
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by RocktheDragon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:19 pm
A series doesn't need swear words implemented/added to it if it never had them in the first place. It would really take me out of the experience if a series that had never had swear words (especially of the more absence nature) started to use them every which way.
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by RocktheDragon » Sun Feb 02, 2014 5:20 pm
ABED wrote:TheGmGoken wrote: I hate when cartoons overuse swear words just to try and be funny.
Or cool.
This isn't limited to cartoons. I'm not a big fan of shows using copious amounts of cuss words.
Same. Utilizing obscenities rarely works or is needed in almost any medium, let alone DB.
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