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Post by Domon » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:47 pm

Exactly. Censorship is just a way of changing something to suit another culture's needs, which is stupid. Since when do people run around putting hammers to others heads? (Dub One Piece) People need to realize that sex, cussing, and violence happen in the real world, and you will deal with it eventually, so why put it off?

I love the Japanese.
The problem with this statement is that it implies that censorship doesn't exist in Japan, which isn't the case. For example, most hentai are censored in Japan, and then get uncensored when released in the states (er... how would I know? :P).

Or even just keeping this to Dragonball; the violence in the anime is toned down quite a bit compared to the manga. Blood is, apparenty, more appectable if it's in black and white. :P

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Post by desirecampbell » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:02 pm

Domon wrote:
Exactly. Censorship is just a way of changing something to suit another culture's needs, which is stupid. Since when do people run around putting hammers to others heads? (Dub One Piece) People need to realize that sex, cussing, and violence happen in the real world, and you will deal with it eventually, so why put it off?

I love the Japanese.
The problem with this statement is that it implies that censorship doesn't exist in Japan, which isn't the case. For example, most hentai are censored in Japan, and then get uncensored when released in the states (er... how would I know? :P).

Or even just keeping this to Dragonball; the violence in the anime is toned down quite a bit compared to the manga. Blood is, apparenty, more appectable if it's in black and white. :P
Exactly. I've never seen the Cell Jr deaths in the anime - but apparently it's pretty graphic.

(anyone wanna post a scan?)

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Post by Blitzen » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:03 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:People need to realize that sex, cussing, and violence happen in the real world, and you will deal with it eventually, so why put it off?
because, atleast as far as Toei is concerned, their "culture" is second-whatever fiddle to getting the show out so they can make cashbags full of money. Censorship is a hard thing to do, especially nowerdays when there's so many different levels of folk with so many different levels of tolerance. On the one hand, you shouldn't pussy-foot around with things, but at the same time you also have to respect the parents right to teach their children when to be desensitized/relaise these kinds of things. However I can agree that 4kids do a piss-poor job at all of that, and can't even censor things with taste. That and since it airs on 4kids.TV, it's subject to different standards, but it doesn't mean it should be done like that.

The thing with Hentai is a very arkward thing, because Japanese hentai producers have been trying to change the law around without any success, and this means they're loosing a lot of sales to downloading or reverse importation (Japanese importing US releases, while they aren't as pretty packaging wise, it's easier to buy 2 uncensored episodes at $30 than one censored episode at $70. Bible Black: new Testament was subjected to removal of Japanese track on the first volume, however since this went badly, the first two episodes in japanese were put on the next volume with eps 3-4, thusforth shooting the Japanese in the foot since it means all people have to do now is buy ONE DVD instead of two... heh). One reason it's apparently there is due to live-action porn. If no one can see what's really happening down there, then it's easier to improvise/fake it, since it costs more to do penetration when it comes to porn actors.

I find censorship to be an okay thing, but only when it's done tastefully/convincingly. One Piece is the highest example of what I consider to be bad censorship.

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Post by Chaos Saiyajin » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:38 pm

Domon wrote:
Exactly. Censorship is just a way of changing something to suit another culture's needs, which is stupid. Since when do people run around putting hammers to others heads? (Dub One Piece) People need to realize that sex, cussing, and violence happen in the real world, and you will deal with it eventually, so why put it off?

I love the Japanese.
The problem with this statement is that it implies that censorship doesn't exist in Japan, which isn't the case. For example, most hentai are censored in Japan, and then get uncensored when released in the states (er... how would I know? :P).
I know Japan has censorship, though it's way more laid back than American Cenorship, which is cool in my book. :P
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Post by Blitzen » Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:43 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote: I know Japan has censorship, though it's way more laid back than American Cenorship, which is cool in my book. :P
Keep in mind that not all censorship is specified to violence, sexual references, drug taking and language.

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Post by Rocketman » Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:25 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:People need to realize that sex, cussing, and violence happen in the real world, and you will deal with it eventually, so why put it off?
New this fall! Dr. Seuss' untold stories!

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Kids'll love it.

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Post by unstable_person99 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:16 pm

:shock: That's a very scary picture. :shock:
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Post by Chaos Saiyajin » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:51 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Chaos Saiyajin wrote:People need to realize that sex, cussing, and violence happen in the real world, and you will deal with it eventually, so why put it off?
New this fall! Dr. Seuss' untold stories!

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Kids'll love it.
:shock: Holy shit! Where the hell did that come from? :shock: Is that really done by Dr. Seuss?! :shock:
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Post by Domon » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:56 pm

I know Japan has censorship, though it's way more laid back than American Cenorship, which is cool in my book.
Depends on who you ask. At least America doesn't censor its porns. I find it annoying whenever I see a hentai art with the lower areas all covered up or pixilated. It just loses some of its effects that way. I mean, if I want it hardcore, then I want to see that stuff, dang it! :)

That's a very scary picture.
Heh, you'd be surprised at some of the propaganda made way back in the days... And remember kids, Superman says you can slap a Jap!

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Post by laserkid » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:33 pm

Wartime propeganda even had donald duck dealing with Nazis, so that image doesnt really surprise me (though 'HEIL HEIL right in the fuherer's face' remains a favorate disney short of mine anyway).
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Post by Jerseymilk » Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:49 am

Domon wrote:Heh, you'd be surprised at some of the propaganda made way back in the days...
You think that's scary, try watching cartoons from Nazi-era Germany. >_>
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Post by Rocketman » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:05 am

Chaos Saiyajin wrote: :shock: Holy shit! Where the hell did that come from? :shock: Is that really done by Dr. Seuss?! :shock:
Yep, it's real. Dr. Seuss did a bunch of them from '41-'43.

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/ <-There's a fairly large gallery of other cartoons he did.

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Post by Chaos Saiyajin » Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:08 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Chaos Saiyajin wrote: :shock: Holy shit! Where the hell did that come from? :shock: Is that really done by Dr. Seuss?! :shock:
Yep, it's real. Dr. Seuss did a bunch of them from '41-'43.

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/ <-There's a fairly large gallery of other cartoons he did.
:shock: That's weird...I never thought that a children's author would become a propoganda artist.
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Post by Kendamu » Wed Mar 22, 2006 5:28 pm

Today in my anthropology class I watched a movie from 1970 about this African tribe who bases their entire existance around what they can get from domestic cattle. Out of the 75 minutes I watched of that, I'd say about one minute worth of footage didn't have some form of nudity in it. Many of the scenes depicted in that documentary showed the sacrificing of cattle and goats, too. It was very graphic in terms of nudity and animal violence and during these situations there were small children around (many of them were naked, too).

I think what a child can withstand without trauma depends on the culture itself. In America if a kid started running around poking other kids in the butt as a joke then there would probably be a bit of a lawsuit on the parents' ends. On the other hand, in Japan you can't find uncensored porn. It's just the culture. Edginess is relative.

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Post by Rocketman » Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:25 pm

Chaos Saiyajin wrote:
Rocketman wrote:
Chaos Saiyajin wrote: :shock: Holy shit! Where the hell did that come from? :shock: Is that really done by Dr. Seuss?! :shock:
Yep, it's real. Dr. Seuss did a bunch of them from '41-'43.

http://orpheus.ucsd.edu/speccoll/dspolitic/ <-There's a fairly large gallery of other cartoons he did.
:shock: That's weird...I never thought that a children's author would become a propoganda artist.
He was in 'propoganda' first.

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