That's too high. The series runs on Sunday mornings and has merchandise made for kids to be played with. People by 12 or 13 start to grow out of kid things, won't stay up watching cartoons very early in the morning or play with toys in their bed room. Think when you where in High School; when you were 15 or 16 were you and all your friends still watching the same shows you did when you were 7 or 8, or playing with happy meal toys?DBZAOTA482 wrote:8-18 is more accurate.
What do you believe to be the series intended demographic?
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I think DB in the US is like Robotech is. It was popular with kids when it was on TV and now it's more of a thing with that grew up in the late 90's and early 2000's. With Robotech, only people who grew up in the 80's and the hardcore anime geeks know about it while pretty much everyone forgot that it exist.
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The original series aired on Wednesday nights IIRC.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Re: What do you believe to be the series intended demographi
1) Japan is weird. Their demographic norms reflect this.
2) Western countries are uptight. Their demographic norms reflect this.
3) A show that has been going on for twenty years, and had a revial series 10 years later is going to have generations in both 1 and 2 wanting to see it, nostalgia, and otherwise.
4) Toys and merch, like cartoons, aren't just for kids. SWAG.
In conclusion, Dragonball demographic is whoever takes time to watch.
2) Western countries are uptight. Their demographic norms reflect this.
3) A show that has been going on for twenty years, and had a revial series 10 years later is going to have generations in both 1 and 2 wanting to see it, nostalgia, and otherwise.
4) Toys and merch, like cartoons, aren't just for kids. SWAG.
In conclusion, Dragonball demographic is whoever takes time to watch.
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I think it was on a time slot for kids to stay up while they are awake. I mean other shows for kids can be on around night time when kids are still awake before they go to bed.DBZAOTA482 wrote:The original series aired on Wednesday nights IIRC.
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I maintain that the intended age group was 6-14. Many 13 and 14 year olds may grow out of it, but many become just as or more attracted to the sort of stuff DBZ presents (specifically, the serious side and violence) as well. 15+, unless they're anime or comic fans, not so much.
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Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
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It's the same demographic.TheGmGoken wrote:Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
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Pretty sure the demographic I posted above (6-14) would apply to the US too, only with a greater emphasis on the older end of the spectrum (9-14), since that's just how it rolls: usually things targeted for younger kids in Japan are orientated for significantly older kids in America, unless they flat out censor every little thing.
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Same things targeted and made for kids in 1 country isn't the same in the other. Some countries may easily target 13+ while others it's 8+.Lord Beerus wrote:It's the same demographic.TheGmGoken wrote:Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
Avengers in some countries was the equivalent of rated M/R. So it's most likely not the same for DB
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The shonen age range is from 6 to 15 years old.Hellspawn28 wrote: I think 4 - 11 seems right for the DB series given by the time slot it airs on and how much merchandise that they made for children to be played with. That's the same age group as other Sunday morning shows like Kamen Rider, Yokai Watch, Precure, Case Close and Yu-Gi-Oh seem to go for.
It's not. The manga that I bought (I think it's a UK release) say that it's for 13+, and the official DVDs in Greece say that it's 14+. I'm sure it's the same for other countries as well. US even gives DBZ a PG rating, which means that it may not be suitable for children.Lord Beerus wrote:It's the same demographic.TheGmGoken wrote:Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Well, here in the UK, a PG rating mean that some scenes may be unsuitable for children, but the content, as a whole, should not unsettle a child aged around eight or older. Which is basically the same demographic in Japan.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The shonen age range is from 6 to 15 years old.Hellspawn28 wrote: I think 4 - 11 seems right for the DB series given by the time slot it airs on and how much merchandise that they made for children to be played with. That's the same age group as other Sunday morning shows like Kamen Rider, Yokai Watch, Precure, Case Close and Yu-Gi-Oh seem to go for.
It's not. The manga that I bought (I think it's a UK release) say that it's for 13+, and the official DVDs in Greece say that it's 14+. I'm sure it's the same for other countries as well. US even gives DBZ a PG rating, which means that it may not be suitable for children.Lord Beerus wrote:It's the same demographic.TheGmGoken wrote:Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
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Re: What do you believe to be the series intended demographi
The only real answer is that it's aimed at Japanese children. It may be marketed with different restrictions or suggested age groups elsewhere (though even in the States, it's always been marketed toward, and popular with, kids), but that's the one answer that's going to explain its creative drives and choices.Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
Who is Dragon Ball enjoyed by? Lots of people! Who is it aimed at? Japanese kids.
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Yu-Gi-Oh is a shonen and yet is market around that age group. Some shonen like Attack on Titan, Hunter x Hunter are market to a older age group while DB, One Piece, Naruto and Yu-Gi-Oh are market to younger kids. Even Naruto had happy meal toys and role playing toys for kids.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The shonen age range is from 6 to 15 years old.Hellspawn28 wrote: I think 4 - 11 seems right for the DB series given by the time slot it airs on and how much merchandise that they made for children to be played with. That's the same age group as other Sunday morning shows like Kamen Rider, Yokai Watch, Precure, Case Close and Yu-Gi-Oh seem to go for.
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I would argue that the fact that it was so heavily censored was an indicator of who it was targeted to abroad. If it was meant for an older demographic, it wouldn't have been censored the way it was.Cipher wrote:The only real answer is that it's aimed at Japanese children. It may be marketed with different restrictions or suggested age groups elsewhere (though even in the States, it's always been marketed toward, and popular with, kids), but that's the one answer that's going to explain its creative drives and choices.Well it's obvious what the age group is in Japan. But what about worldwide?
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So, anime like Attack on Titan don't have merchandise for kids? What kind of merchandise to they have that isn't aimed for kids, dildos with Eren's face?Hellspawn28 wrote:Yu-Gi-Oh is a shonen and yet is market around that age group. Some shonen like Attack on Titan, Hunter x Hunter are market to a older age group while DB, One Piece, Naruto and Yu-Gi-Oh are market to younger kids. Even Naruto had happy meal toys and role playing toys for kids.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:The shonen age range is from 6 to 15 years old.Hellspawn28 wrote: I think 4 - 11 seems right for the DB series given by the time slot it airs on and how much merchandise that they made for children to be played with. That's the same age group as other Sunday morning shows like Kamen Rider, Yokai Watch, Precure, Case Close and Yu-Gi-Oh seem to go for.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
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Re: What do you believe to be the series intended demographi
In the 7-14 range. Most ideal age is around 10. By American standards, though, it's much too graphic for those below 13. At least the manga is. I think people tend to look over this, but the series is extremely violent, especially in the last two arcs, and that's ignoring all the cursing and sexual "humor".
A faithfully adapted live action film would definitely be rated R.
A faithfully adapted live action film would definitely be rated R.
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Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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Hell and damn? That's pretty much as far as the cursing goes unless you're reading scanlations or watching fansubs.RandomGuy96 wrote:and that's ignoring all the cursing
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I've heard "bastard" thrown around.DoomieDoomie911 wrote:Hell and damn? That's pretty much as far as the cursing goes unless you're reading scanlations or watching fansubs.RandomGuy96 wrote:and that's ignoring all the cursing
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
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No it won't really. The violence in the series is not as bad as most people make out to be. PG-13 movies get away with so much these days for the last 10 years.RandomGuy96 wrote: A faithfully adapted live action film would definitely be rated R.
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Re: What do you believe to be the series intended demographi
Gero squeezed a guy's neck so hard that his head popped off like a fucking pez dispenser. Very messily too. Babidi made a guy's head explode into a shower of gore in the Buu arc, and also cut people in half (you can even see intestines hanging out), killed children by stabbing them through the chest, and made a guy swell and pop like a balloon.Hellspawn28 wrote:No it won't really. The violence in the series is not as bad as most people make out to be.RandomGuy96 wrote: A faithfully adapted live action film would definitely be rated R.
By contrast, the PG-13 rated Avengers had to censor an impalement.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.







