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DBZAOTA482
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by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:50 pm
ABED wrote:Not quite... he did gain a significant power-up from the majin charm but he barely had any control over his powers as Goku himself noted. Physically he's still a weakling even Mr. Satan wipe the floor with given Videl was smacking him around early on during their fight even dealing great damage to him even if he wasn't feeling it and keep in mind this is a girl who uses standard gym equipment for training. The main reason she started losing in the first place is cuz her stamina capped out on her.
That wasn't damage. If he can't feel it or register it, it's not damaging. Yes, Mr. Satan beat him, but that's before the power up. Gohan says she's stronger than her father.
I'm sure even 21st Budokai Jackie Chun could easily take out Spopovich with the majin charm.
Muten Roshi was also far above normal limits.
It's still damage... granted it wasn't any lasting damage but Videl very well coulda killed him if it wasn't for his weird zombie-like endurance side-effect. Goku was even shocked that he got up so easily despite all the damage he took.
Maybe Jackie Chun was the wrong comparison. I'd say BoDB Goku or Yamcha could take him without much trouble and they were barely above human level (by Dragon Ball standards).
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by TheMikado » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:05 pm
I respect Chi Chi and all but she was barely used in DB and isn't particularly strong by comparison to 18 or Videl even. She can't even fly...
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by JulieYBM » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:32 pm
Toriyama doesn't want to do it. That's reason enough. You might as well be asking why he doesn't let Oolong get more wishes from Shen Long. He made the first wish in the series, so obviously he's super-special and deserves special treatment!
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by DBZAOTA482 » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:35 pm
TheMikado wrote:I respect Chi Chi and all but she was barely used in DB and isn't particularly strong by comparison to 18 or Videl even. She can't even fly...
Bukujutsu is a trained technique it has little to do with power level. Chiaotzu during the 22nd Budokai could fly but he was still a weakling compared to the Top 3 fighters at that point.
Likewise, Videl having bukujutsu doesn't mean much considering she has no speed feats while flying and could hardly do anything in the air (she has used it to run away). Chi-Chi may not know bukujutsu but she's easily capable of jumping at ridiculous heights... a feat Videl flat-out considered impossible and was super fast even while up in the air much like Goku before he started flying around during combat. Even as a kid she was capable of beheaded a T-rex with rather effortlessly (which I don't see Videl doing).
What's Videl's best feat exactly? Fighting common thugs? Breaking the neck of a fighter even Mr. Satan could wipe the floor with? Not very impressive even by Early Dragon Ball standards.
fadeddreams5 wrote:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am
I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about
your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
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by IDreamtIWasABee » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:43 pm
SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Seriously though.Why do fans tend to request female fighters so badly ?
Why wouldn't we? Women are cool.
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by JulieYBM » Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:46 pm
IDreamtIWasABee wrote:SSJ3 Vegeta wrote:Seriously though.Why do fans tend to request female fighters so badly ?
Why wouldn't we? Women are cool.
Yes, they are, but that doesn't mean Toriyama needs to do something he doesn't feel like doing. Don't go to an apple expecting it to make you orange juice.
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by B » Mon Mar 14, 2016 8:39 pm
This thread exists in the assumption that Toriyama is writing every plot twist and turn in Super.
However, obviously, Toriyama enjoys drawing women. He was more or less forced by Torishima to make Dragon Ball star a boy.
Keen Observation of Dragon Ball Z Movie 4's Climax wrote:Slug shits to see the genki
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by Vijay » Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:48 pm
I've watched cat-fights in Naruto, Fairy Tail, Bleach, OP, a bunch of other run-of-the-mill shows. They were puke inducing migraines.
Fan-service (female bimbos dressing exposing the cleavage, annoying voices, horrible fighting style & atrocious duex machina) & a couple of plot-induced stupidity have always made me hate them
Thankfully, DragonBall is spared & god bless Toriyama. Though I always appreciate some badass moments of Toriyama's attractive female characters as Lunch (robbery scenes), Chi Chi (whopping a bunch of RRA soldiers), 18 (owning Veggie), Videl (whopping criminals & evil doers).
Even Pan was great in GT, especially in its 1st Arc. Watching a kawaii girl kickass along with Goku has always been rewarding
I think the appeal lies in Toriyama's way of handling action scenes, which are easy to follow. Hence, his fights be it male or female are fluid
With that being said, I do wish to see 18, Pan & Bulla to be in action for at least a good 50%
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by Iberian_Saiyan » Tue Mar 15, 2016 10:34 pm
If they want to have female or whichever gender they think of (i.e. completely made-up), that's fine but just hope it won't be forced upon. It's bad enough that, dare I say, SJWs and Feminists are already damaging the video game market in the west.
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by swimtrunks » Thu Mar 17, 2016 1:27 pm
Iberian_Saiyan wrote: It's bad enough that, dare I say, SJWs and Feminists
There was no need to take it there^.
No one is saying he should add female fighters just because. They're saying he should use the female fighters that are already there because they have been shown to be on par or stronger than some of the male characters.