Hugo Boss wrote: Sat Feb 22, 2025 9:19 am
I wouldn’t get too hung up on how Vegeta approached the fight, considering how prideful he is. That trait was the entire focus of the second third of the episode, culminating in Bulma’s intervention. Vegeta choosing to fight in base doesn’t necessarily mean Base Vegeta is stronger than SS4 Kid Goku; it just means Vegeta, as usual, wanted to prove a point before escalating.
Piccolo was observing the fight analytically, and even he implied that bringing Goku in wouldn’t change much. Gomah wasn’t taking the fight seriously, and that’s the real issue. The fact that Goku went straight to SS4 again proves that Gomah can’t be handled with anything less. If a ‘fresh’ SS3 were enough, Goku wouldn’t have needed to transform. Gomah’s power isn’t just high, it’s adaptive, which is what makes him so difficult to assess.
The thing with Vegeta, is yes, he is prideful but he has never approached a fight like that and held his own. He either wins comfortably, or gets destroyed. For once we actually watched Vegeta be confident in his abilities and back it up for the entirety of the fight.
The whole reason why Goku getting involved in the fight not changing anything is simply based on the fact that the Tertian oculus makes Gomah way too durable, and borderline, if not outright invincible. If Vegeta can't dish out an attack that Gomah can't recover from, Goku can't either (as far as they knew at the time). Speaking purely from a power level perspective base Vegeta can hurt and put up a good enough fight against giant Gomah, he then massively surpassed him as a SSJ3. Also Gomah's power is adaptive, yes, but we haven't seen it do anything but increase, and the giant form is the biggest visual cue that not he is still as powerful as the when he easily defeated SSJ4 mini.
Not only that, but we also have a direct comparison with Vegeta fighting Gomah when he was a child. A much weaker Gomah just straight up no sold SSJ Vegetas attacks, literally taking his attacks square in the face. No matter what way you slice it, base Vegeta has outperformed the fighters from the episodes prior, all whilst against a stronger Gomah. He also isn't fully fresh like kid Vegeta who fought Gomah the first time round, as Piccolo told us that their stamina has not recovered. So no matter what adult Base Vegeta has to be stronger than his kid SSJ self at the very least.
God this is so ridiculous, considering Shenron isn't meant to be able to make them weaker judging by the original manga.
I've got to say, for once it's refreshing to not have a character just be stronger than the heroes, but instead have a gimmick that allows him to defeat them a different way, because even Giant Gomah post final flash power up was just about weaker than exhausted SSJ3 Vegeta. Right now, it's a battle of attrition, and one that the heroes will lose as things stand. Although I'm sure the Tertian oculus is gonna go into overdrive and force a fusion, or some shit.
