Unpopular DB opinions

[8000 Saiyan]

Ian James Corlette is the definitive Goku.

I wouldn't call Corlett the definitive Goku. He was the best of the Ocean Gokus, even if he had an innaccurate script. He could have been excellent IMO if he had been given more time to understand the real Goku and put more effort into the screams.

You've mentioned your hate for Kelamis multiple times in this thread.

It's ABED. He loves to remind Kanzenshuu how much he hates Kelamis. I think it's unfair of him to call him a bad actor when he's only seen 2 or 3 roles of Kelamis.

[RandomGuy96]

Anyone who talks about anime dub fans not enjoying the "true version of Dragon Ball" while at the same time watching any version of the anime over reading the manga is being a hypocrite. The differences in the story and characterization between the manga and anime are at least as big as the ones between various versions of the anime.

[Doctor.]

Most of the new lore that includes Freeza in some shape or form is absolutely terrible.

Except for the Galactic Patrol. That's actually a good concept.

[TobyS]

Ian James Corlette is the definitive Goku.

I wouldn't call Corlett the definitive Goku. He was the best of the Ocean Gokus, even if he had an innaccurate script. He could have been excellent IMO if he had been given more time to understand the real Goku and put more effort into the screams.

You've mentioned your hate for Kelamis multiple times in this thread.

It's ABED. He loves to remind Kanzenshuu how much he hates Kelamis. I think it's unfair of him to call him a bad actor when he's only seen 2 or 3 roles of Kelamis.

Kelamis nailed it in that dead zone movie, like the best western version of nozawas kind boyish and excitable, much better than all the superman voices for him since.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

Anyone who talks about anime dub fans not enjoying the "true version of Dragon Ball" while at the same time watching any version of the anime over reading the manga is being a hypocrite. The differences in the story and characterization between the manga and anime are at least as big as the ones between various versions of the anime.

I agree with with the first part of your argument because while I prefer the anime as a whole the manga is the definitive version of the series (at least pre-GT) and the fact Kai follows it more closely is part of the reason I prefer Kai to Z. Although Funimation made more changes to their original Z dub than the Japanese anime did to the manga. They've redeemed themselves with their recent dubs however.

[ABED]

I think it's unfair of him to call him a bad actor when he's only seen 2 or 3 roles of Kelamis.

Okay then, I think he's terrible as Goku. Is that a fair enough addendum for you? And if someone else brings up the issue, why is it wrong of me to throw in my two cents? Threads are constantly being recycled.

Kelamis nailed it in that dead zone movie, like the best western version of nozawas kind boyish and excitable, much better than all the superman voices for him since.

I don't hear Nozawa. The most Nozawa-esque thing I hear is his scream, and he has a higher pitched voice. We need to separate the voice from the performance. The Superman elements, to whatever extent they are there, is due to the writing. Schemmel's voice is deeper, but he still conveys the manchild aspect of Goku very naturally, whereas Kelamis always sounded forced and has an akward delivery.

[Big Green The Yoshi]

Anyone who talks about anime dub fans not enjoying the "true version of Dragon Ball" while at the same time watching any version of the anime over reading the manga is being a hypocrite. The differences in the story and characterization between the manga and anime are at least as big as the ones between various versions of the anime.

Yeah, this. The Manga is vastly superior to the Anime. It's actually pretty fast paced and to the point at times and is really the only form of entertainment I enjoy from the franchise these days.

[ABED]

Anyone who talks about anime dub fans not enjoying the "true version of Dragon Ball" while at the same time watching any version of the anime over reading the manga is being a hypocrite. The differences in the story and characterization between the manga and anime are at least as big as the ones between various versions of the anime.

Yeah, this. The Manga is vastly superior to the Anime. It's actually pretty fast paced and to the point at times and is really the only form of entertainment I enjoy from the franchise these days.

The manga still has issues of pacing. Sometimes it's too fast like the end of the Buu arc when it feels like he's just racing to the finish line as fast as possible. It's also missing the voices and the music which are huge parts of what I love about Dragon Ball.

[ekrolo2]

The manga still has issues of pacing. Sometimes it's too fast like the end of the Buu arc when it feels like he's just racing to the finish line as fast as possible. It's also missing the voices and the music which are huge parts of what I love about Dragon Ball.

I'd also say the anime successfully managed to give certain scenes a lot more impact than they do in the manga. Everyone trying to help Gohan against Cell, Goku's KKX20, seeing Vegeta's reflections of the past during his "You're number 1, Kakarot!" speech.

[Big Green The Yoshi]

I think the Anime can be better than the Manga at some points I guess. After the Freeza Arc, some of the supporting characters in the Manga don't flesh out anymore and fade into the background. The Anime does a good job at fleshing out support characters after the Freeza Arc.

During the Freeza Arc though, holy shit. Terrible filler right there.

[ABED]

True which is why I think there's a middle ground to be struck. I don't know if it's something that occurs in Japanese TV shows in general or just Toei shows but creating an episode for every single week is the source of the issue. If they had a more sensible schedule, then I think there could be a nice middle ground that is even better than Kai.

[DBZAOTA482]

True which is why I think there's a middle ground to be struck. I don't know if it's something that occurs in Japanese TV shows in general or just Toei shows but creating an episode for every single week is the source of the issue. If they had a more sensible schedule, then I think there could be a nice middle ground that is even better than Kai.

The Freeza Saga's issues weren't with bad scheduling. It was due to the manga/anime gap being really thin.

[ABED]

True which is why I think there's a middle ground to be struck. I don't know if it's something that occurs in Japanese TV shows in general or just Toei shows but creating an episode for every single week is the source of the issue. If they had a more sensible schedule, then I think there could be a nice middle ground that is even better than Kai.

The Freeza Saga's issues weren't with bad scheduling. It was due to the manga/anime gap being really thin.

Which is another way of saying they were buying time so the anime didn't get ahead of the manga, which was my point.

[ekrolo2]

Goku loving to fight does not make him less of a shit bag for not killing Gero or nearly breaking the whole universe in a dick measuring contest with Beerus.

[rereboy]

... for not killing Gero ...

It's morally dubious to kill a man for crimes he has yet to commit. But he could have stopped Gero.

[LuckyCat]

Goku loving to fight does not make him less of a shit bag for not killing Gero.

It's not like he shrugged off responsibility for dealing with Gero. He just does things his own Saiyan way. Does that make him less heroic than Superman? Probably. But it doesn't make him a "shit bag".

[ekrolo2]

... for not killing Gero ...

It's morally dubious to kill a man for crimes he has yet to commit. But he could have stopped Gero.

I don't buy that as a good excuse, they easily could've summoned Shenron and asked him for information on who and what Gero has done so they can have a properly informed opinion of how right/wrong it is to kill him.

And even if they choose to train instead of kill, at least train properly with the Room of Spirit and Time instead of this half-assed system that yielded no significant strength to anyone but Piccolo. FFS, Goku couldn't even deign to make Gohan into a Super Saiyan even though the kid is right next to him in Base power.

Goku loving to fight does not make him less of a shit bag for not killing Gero.

It's not like he shrugged off responsibility for dealing with Gero. He just does things his own Saiyan way. Does that make him less heroic than Superman? Probably. But it doesn't make him a "shit bag".

When he does these kinds of things purely for his own entertainment, it makes him a shit bag. It also makes him an interesting example of a Shonen protagonist but if he's gonna roll the dice, I say let him do it on his own time without dragging everyone into potential oblivion with him.

[Doctor.]

Gero worked for a mass-murdering army as the manufacturer of their killing machines. Unless you want to bring headcanon into the mix, it wouldn't be morally dubious to kill a man who has done evil in the past and the gang now has full knowledge he is still practicing evil as they speak.

[ABED]

And even if they choose to train instead of kill, at least train properly with the Room of Spirit and Time instead of this half-assed system that yielded no significant strength to anyone but Piccolo.

We don't know how much stronger they were than before and the RST had yet to be conceived by Toriyama.

And I don't care if Goku is pure good or not, just as long as he's interesting. Him letting the villains be created was in character and not done purely for the sake of plot reasons.

[Nejishiki]

He didn't "drag" anyone into it. Everyone supported the idea because they're martial artists who desire a challenge. Bluma and Kuririn are the only characters who disagreed, the latter of which quickly changing his mind when he realized it would unite them briefly.

You may not agree with the actions of Dragon Team, but that's their characters through and through. It wouldn't benefit the narrative to suddenly alter their motivations. Their wishes are supported through the warning Future Trunks provides. They are perfectly at peace with their decisions possibly leading to death. Let's also consider Future Trunks was surprised by this so that wasn't written for the sake of it. It's acknowledged.

Additionally, the Room of Spirit and Time was treated as a last resort, in context. It's potentially irresponsible to "waste" their days on it when ignorant of what they truly must account for. Its usage in the story is not only reasonable but it clashes with precedence. Dragon Team has always preferred to gain strength on their own unless forced to instantly become stronger. It's best not to forget precedence continues to exists where training in peacetime has rarely led to significant improvement. The "new" conflicts are necessary for their needs. The greatest advancements are achieved after experiencing overwhelming odds. They fancy the journey, not the destination.