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Cipher
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by Cipher » Sun May 08, 2011 2:59 pm
Piccolo Daimao wrote:No, we're not. He said that Vegeta's bloodlust for battle was the purest of all Saiyans, and that he forced to be that wayy his father and Freeza. Which is wrong. That's just dub shit.
No, he said Goku's bloodlust was the purest of all Saiyans, which it is. Goku embraces fighting for the sake of fighting, completely and entirely.
I think his point about Vegeta was badly worded, but you're still misinterpreting it. Freeza didn't "force" him to fight, but his culture does. That is, Vegeta only cares about being the best. He fights because in the culture he comes from, fighting was how you proved you were the best. In that way, it "forced" him to enjoy fighting. Or rather, to enjoy beating opponents by fighting.
Vegeta loves fighting because that's the only way he knows how to prove he's the best. That's the only purpose it serves for him. Goku loves fighting because he just plain loves fighting. He loves it even more when he's
not the best.
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by Herms » Sun May 08, 2011 4:11 pm
Cipher wrote:Vegeta loves fighting because that's the only way he knows how to prove he's the best. That's the only purpose it serves for him. Goku loves fighting because he just plain loves fighting. He loves it even more when he's not the best.
So basically, if Goku and Vegeta happened to be from an alien race that was obsessed with tennis, Vegeta would be all about playing tennis to prove he's the best, while Goku would still be getting into fistfights just for the fun of it.
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by batistabus » Sun May 08, 2011 5:23 pm
Herms wrote:Cipher wrote:Vegeta loves fighting because that's the only way he knows how to prove he's the best. That's the only purpose it serves for him. Goku loves fighting because he just plain loves fighting. He loves it even more when he's not the best.
So basically, if Goku and Vegeta happened to be from an alien race that was obsessed with tennis, Vegeta would be all about playing tennis to prove he's the best, while Goku would still be getting into fistfights just for the fun of it.
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by Cipher » Sun May 08, 2011 7:07 pm
Herms wrote:So basically, if Goku and Vegeta happened to be from an alien race that was obsessed with tennis, Vegeta would be all about playing tennis to prove he's the best, while Goku would still be getting into fistfights just for the fun of it.
Yes. Yes, he would.
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Piccolo Daimao
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by Piccolo Daimao » Mon May 09, 2011 3:22 pm
Cipher wrote:Piccolo Daimao wrote:No, we're not. He said that Vegeta's bloodlust for battle was the purest of all Saiyans, and that he forced to be that wayy his father and Freeza. Which is wrong. That's just dub shit.
No, he said Goku's bloodlust was the purest of all Saiyans, which it is. Goku embraces fighting for the sake of fighting, completely and entirely.
OK then. But I don't necessarily think Goku's battle bloodlust was the purest of all Saiyans. I think all Saiyans pretty much have the same battle bloodlust.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Attitudefan » Thu May 19, 2011 4:08 am
So Raditz was right after all. He loved to fight and will eventually show his saiyan characteristics.
So Vegeta in the end is more "good" than Goku is. At least he stays with his family unlike our protagonist and I bet the whole time Toriyama was thinking, "Super happy fun time Jackie Chan!
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by Piccolo Daimao » Sun May 22, 2011 2:20 pm
Attitudefan wrote:So Vegeta in the end is more "good" than Goku is. At least he stays with his family unlike our protagonist and I bet the whole time Toriyama was thinking, "Super happy fun time Jackie Chan!
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Not really. Just because Vegeta happened to stay with his family because he didn't wish for and eventually meet up with a strong kid so he could fly off and train doesn't mean he's somehow better than Goku. Vegeta's still a Saiyan, meaning he's no better than Goku.
Holden Caulfield in [b][i]The Catcher in the Rye[/i][/b] wrote:I hope to hell when I do die somebody has sense enough to just dump me in the river or something. Anything except sticking me in a goddam cemetery. People coming and putting a bunch of flowers on your stomach on Sunday, and all that crap. Who wants flowers when you're dead? Nobody.
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by Michsi » Sun May 22, 2011 2:56 pm
Attitudefan wrote:
So Vegeta in the end is more "good" than Goku is. At least he stays with his family unlike our protagonist and I bet the whole time Toriyama was thinking, "Super happy fun time Jackie Chan!
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I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Vegeta spends just as much time away from his family in the gravity room...
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by Makaioshin » Sun May 22, 2011 3:18 pm
Attitudefan wrote:So Raditz was right after all. He loved to fight and will eventually show his saiyan characteristics.
So Vegeta in the end is more "good" than Goku is. At least he stays with his family unlike our protagonist and I bet the whole time Toriyama was thinking, "Super happy fun time Jackie Chan!
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I don't think he intended for the reader to think Goku abandoned his family as in Neko Majin he is seen training Oob while he is with his family. He was just so excited to start his training with Oob that he left the tournament early.
