Best DBZ movie villian

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:53 pm

Victator Supreme wrote: But Goku and the others were not nearly as powerful as they were in the Brolli movie.

Super #13 wasn't nearly as powerful as Broly. So it equals out.

Victator Supreme wrote: Brolli took out three super saiyans at their maximum power and post Kami merged Piccolo at the same time. Not fighting them one by one, but litterly at the same time. I don't think a super saiyan 2 would be more powerful than those four put together.

I think most of us agree that a SSj2 would destroy Broly just like Cell and Bojack. Theoretically, movie villians get stronger each movie. Thus meaning Bojack was stronger than Cell and Broly, yet he was easily killed.

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 2:56 pm

I'd have to say this was a tie.

First up, Cooler.

He's what Frieza should have been, with a kickass final form. He sounded far better too.

Secondly, Brolli. He has the maximum power and any villain that slaps arounf everyone that much ease is certainly top notch in my book.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:05 pm

I think most of us agree that a SSj2 would destroy Broly just like Cell and Bojack. Theoretically, movie villians get stronger each movie. Thus meaning Bojack was stronger than Cell and Broly, yet he was easily killed.

See I don't think Bojack was stronger than Brolli. He never showed the kind of dominence Brolli did and relied on his henchmen too much.

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:09 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Godo wrote:
Rocketman wrote: Vegeta is Goku's equal in skill. He would thrash the other three.
Actually, I haven't seen that much skill in Vegeta. If blasting hundreds of weak ki-balls at an enemy when feeling threatened, or shooting giant ki-balls at the enemy is skill, then Vegeta is skilled. But that's what everyone in DBZ can do. Vegeta even says that Goku is a genious when he watches Goku fight Yakon, but he never says that he is too. Ever. (Maybe before he is trashed by android 18 and at hs arrival at Earth).
Both Goku and Piccolo call Vegeta a fighting genius during the Android Saga.

And besides that, there was the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight. The two were equal in sheer power, so the more skilled should have won, yet they were equally matched.

Indeed.

On the two occasions Vegeta and Goku have fought, the first time round Vegeta was Goku's superior, until Goku outpowered him.

On the second occasion, when their power levels were equal, they pretty much fought to a stalemate.

Perhaps you could say Vegeta is a better tactician when it comes to tricking people into doing things?

(Making #20 run away, sucker punching Goku, etc.)

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:27 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:
I think most of us agree that a SSj2 would destroy Broly just like Cell and Bojack. Theoretically, movie villians get stronger each movie. Thus meaning Bojack was stronger than Cell and Broly, yet he was easily killed.
See I don't think Bojack was stronger than Brolli. He never showed the kind of dominence Brolli did and relied on his henchmen too much.

Bojack is stronger, it wouldn't make sense for him not to be. The fact that he didn't dominate everyone is only because he had lackey's strong enough to do it for him. He easily beat Piccolo, SSj Trunks, and SSj Vegeta before he even transformed. And nearly all of the Saiyans (especially Gohan) that fought in the Cell battle had to recieve big zenkai boosts afterwards. Well, except for Trunks, who got killed...Anyhow, they should all be much stronger than they were when they fought Broly. Bojack one-shotted SSj Trunks two times in that movie. His henchmen can beat up SSjs, that means their leader must be very strong, which he is of course.

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 3:41 pm

Drunken Master wrote:
Victator Supreme wrote:
I think most of us agree that a SSj2 would destroy Broly just like Cell and Bojack. Theoretically, movie villians get stronger each movie. Thus meaning Bojack was stronger than Cell and Broly, yet he was easily killed.
See I don't think Bojack was stronger than Brolli. He never showed the kind of dominence Brolli did and relied on his henchmen too much.
Bojack is stronger, it wouldn't make sense for him not to be. The fact that he didn't dominate everyone is only because he had lackey's strong enough to do it for him. He easily beat Piccolo, SSj Trunks, and SSj Vegeta before he even transformed. And nearly all of the Saiyans (especially Gohan) that fought in the Cell battle had to recieve big zenkai boosts afterwards. Well, except for Trunks, who got killed...Anyhow, they should all be much stronger than they were when they fought Broly. Bojack one-shotted SSj Trunks two times in that movie. His henchmen can beat up SSjs, that means their leader must be very strong, which he is of course.

There isn't really any proof of that, seeing as Gohan gets weaker in the period between the Cell games and the Buu saga, Goku stays dead and you don't really see anything of Vegeta to draw a decent conclusion from.

As for Trunks, I'd assume he would be the one most likely to receive a Zenkai power up, seeing as he was near death at the hands of Cell.

I'm not saying that it didn't happen, just that it can't really be proved either way. =/

jwimz · Post by **jwimz** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:02 pm

veshira wrote:jwimz, is your list best to worst, or worst to best? Have I found someone who actually likes Garlic Junior?!

And I just realized. I forgot Hitler! Must revise my list!

lol..yeah it is best to worst. Garlic Jr. seems like a powerful Pilaf and that is why I like him, since Pilaf is probably the best villian ever.

Drunken Master · Post by **Drunken Master** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:05 pm

Gohan isn't going to get weak that fast. This wasn't long after Cell. Trunks said he'd come back after he killed the Androids and Cell, and he was present in that movie. Gohan is stronger than he was when he faced Cell, the same with Vegeta. Trunks was killed by Cell, so he wouldn't get a zenkai boost. They had to revive him with the Dragon Balls after the battle. We do see enough of Vegeta. He fights Bojack in his normal state, and gets beaten down fast. Vegeta didn't even have time to cry, ha ha.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:17 pm

Goku and Gohan weren't even close to as strong during Movie 8 as they were during the Cell Game, anyway. (Oh boy that would be a terribly fun off topic subject for me to pwn...)

Just because Broli ended up in a situation where he was fighting all at once doesn't make a difference, it's just that such scenarios are mostly avoided outside of that movie.

Heck! Super Saiyan (1) Gohan did better against Broli than anyone in Movie 8 did, and he was weaker than he was during the Cell Game (but stronger than he was during movie 8, which he himself states). There's just no reason to think so highly of Broli! Why does he get this god-like status among so many? It boggles my mind! Hildegarn took down Ultimate Gohan in a couple blows, why isn't he the most popular shiznit pwnz0r beem villain to ever live in everyones eyes?

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:22 pm

Dude the Brolli movie took place during the two weeks before the Cell Games.

The reason Hildegarn is not on the leval of Brolli is simple. Its called style.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:42 pm

Hmm . . . I can't seem to decide on an absolute "best" movie villain. I've basically enjoyed them all.

The Chibi Kiriyama · Post by **The Chibi Kiriyama** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:24 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Dude the Brolli movie took place during the two weeks before the Cell Games.

The point of the films is that they take place within no stated immeadiate time period. Even when they are it's a very loose timeframe, such as Roshi saying Movie 5's events are after the fight with Freeza. If you have evidence of the such, I'd love to see it.

The reason Hildegarn is not on the leval of Brolli is simple. Its called style.

You can't be serious. Hildegarn was capable of stunning an SS3 Goku. The same Goku at Super Saiyan with his sons leveled Broli with their combined Kamehameha. And- let's be realistic, I haven't seen a stylish move on Broli's part. All I've ever seen him do is the same as Super Vegeta- large, sweeping attacks that any equal to him could avoid. Hildegarn had more 'style' than him. He could barely be traced, and required psychological tactics to be rendered solid.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:33 pm

The point of the films is that they take place within no stated immeadiate time period. Even when they are it's a very loose timeframe, such as Roshi saying Movie 5's events are after the fight with Freeza. If you have evidence of the such, I'd love to see it.

All of the fims take place during a certain timeline in the series. They were not made to be out of continuity. Its just the anime and manga were too far ahead of them. No they never outright say " Golly gee guys this fight with Cell will be tough." But its obvious looking at their designs, that is when the movie takes place.

The only people who are going to dispute this are fans withan agenda of trying to make Brolli look weak.

You can't be serious. Hildegarn was capable of stunning an SS3 Goku. The same Goku at Super Saiyan with his sons leveled Broli with their combined Kamehameha. And- let's be realistic, I haven't seen a stylish move on Broli's part. All I've ever seen him do is the same as Super Vegeta- large, sweeping attacks that any equal to him could avoid. Hildegarn had more 'style' than him. He could barely be traced, and required psychological tactics to be rendered solid.

Brolli just looks cool. He had a cool gimmick of being the legendary super saiyan. Thats why he has caught on with Dragonball fans world wide. Thats why he was the main villian in three movies.

Look I'm not a huge Brolli fan. I think the first movie is decent. it would be one of the best if it weren't so long. I dislike the second one. But I think the third one is one of the best Dragonball movies period. But I think its stupid that people try to pick nits on why Brolli isn't that powerful.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:41 pm

Duo wrote: Hildegarn took down Ultimate Gohan in a couple blows, why isn't he the most popular shiznit pwnz0r beem villain to ever live in everyones eyes?

Because he, like Lord Slug, got taken down by music. Seriously, that's not impressive.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:06 pm

I think my top three would be:

Tur1es - I found his evil scheme so very creative. Evil pieces of fruit are the best.

Also I love his Piccolo-cape. And the fact that he doesn't wear pants.

Brolli - Only the first movie he's in though. The one where in the beginning before he goes crazy he's got this angry rivalry thing going on against Goku. And how he was able to scare Vegeta so badly.

Cooler - He's like Freeza without the legendary super saiyajin phobia. That and I get humorous mental images of whatever he and Freeza's childhood must've been like.

Great Saiyaman · Post by **Great Saiyaman** » Sat Sep 23, 2006 11:25 pm

For me it's Cooler, he had the whole revenge thing going in both movies. But he was not a complete moron like Broly.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 11:52 am

Victator Supreme wrote:The only people who are going to dispute this are fans withan agenda of trying to make Brolli look weak.

The only fans who will support this are fans with the agenda of trying to make Broly look like some kind of indestructable god. >_>

The movies don't fit. They use elements from whatever saga the series is at at the time (for instance, movie 8 uses elements from the Cell saga because it was made when the Cell saga was in progress), but they don't actually fit into the series timeline.

Brolli just looks cool. He had a cool gimmick of being the legendary super saiyan. Thats why he has caught on with Dragonball fans world wide. Thats why he was the main villian in three movies.

Too bad Goku is the true Legendary Super Saiyan.

But I think the third one is one of the best Dragonball movies period. But I think its stupid that people try to pick nits on why Brolli isn't that powerful.

My personal opinon is that the the third movie is one of the worst and pretty much destroys what credibility Brolly's character had left after movie 10. I think it's also stupid that people try to make Brolly sound more powerful than he really is. I mean come on, SSJ2 Goku or even Majin Vegeta could mop the floor with him.

Finally, does no one else like Dr. Whello?

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:23 pm

Give one GOOD reason Movie 11 is a bad. I've yet to see one decent reason he movie is bad.

The only fans who will support this are fans with the agenda of trying to make Broly look like some kind of indestructable god. >_>

The movies don't fit. They use elements from whatever saga the series is at at the time (for instance, movie 8 uses elements from the Cell saga because it was made when the Cell saga was in progress), but they don't actually fit into the series timeline.

No I'm sorry but they use the characters from a certain time in the series. If you had to pick one from Movie 8 its the Cell Games. Thats the only possible time it could have taken place. Does it fit in the anime timeframe. Perhaps, there is nothing really to keep it from taking place before the Cell Games. But if it were going to be in the anime timeline, it would definately be during that two week period.

You tell me when the movie would have taken place.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 12:55 pm

Victator Supreme wrote:Give one GOOD reason Movie 11 is a bad. I've yet to see one decent reason he movie is bad.

Goten and Trunks.

No I'm sorry but they use the characters from a certain time in the series. If you had to pick one from Movie 8 its the Cell Games. Thats the only possible time it could have taken place. Does it fit in the anime timeframe. Perhaps, there is nothing really to keep it from taking place before the Cell Games.

Goku and Gohan were Super Saiyan for the entire 10 days before the Cell games.

Perfect Weapon · Post by **Perfect Weapon** » Sun Sep 24, 2006 1:00 pm

Majin Buu wrote:
Too bad Goku is the true Legendary Super Saiyan.

As far as I'm aware, Brolli is still the "Legendary Super Saiya-jin". The fact that Goku is one as well changes nothing. =/

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