Two Broly movies, from FUNi, coming to Blu-Ray.

[Acid_Reign]

Thats some horrible cover art.

It looks like it's a "double feature." They probably slapped both movies on one disc... and in HD, I don't know how much that will leave for extras (if there are any genuine extras, here) but I guess that depends on the encoding.

[b_boult]

The cover art hardly surprises me. This release is obviously another huge money making exercise from FUNimation. They chose Broly deliberately because all the kids love him, and believe the discs will probably sell themselves.

[Acid_Reign]

The cover art hardly surprises me. This release is obviously another huge money making exercise from FUNimation. They chose Broly deliberately because all the kids love him, and believe the discs will probably sell themselves.

I think it's also fair to say that this is a probably preliminary title. I see re-re-releases on BD as part of the all-new "definitive DBZ collection" as a very likely possibility if these do well.

[MarcFBR]

http://www.db-destiny.net/dbz-broly-bluray-cover.jpg

better quality coverart, and not tagged

[Tanooki Kuribo]

better quality coverart, and not tagged

Oh nice, I don't know why I didn't check the official site first.

[MarcFBR]

It looks like it's a "double feature." They probably slapped both movies on one disc... and in HD, I don't know how much that will leave for extras (if there are any genuine extras, here) but I guess that depends on the encoding.

It is a double feature, no reason it wouldn't be other then to say its a 2 disk set. The 3 audio tracks for both films, and the video, won't take up anywhere near the maximum of the disk, unless they go with a 25 gig bluray, which probably wouldn't be enough.

Let's use the Hellboy Blu-Ray that I have as an example of 'how much room is there to work with' (pretending that the Hellboy disk literally uses up EVERY available bit and byte on the disk)

Hellboy uses the extended version, which is 132 minutes long. (In 1080p using AVC)

It has 3 Dolby 5.1 tracks, 2 5.1 PCM Uncompressed tracks. (Both PCM tracks are 4.6 mbps)

16 Subtitle tracks.

Extras wise, it has a commentary, a 144 minute documentary on the film, a 12 minute guide on comics, some deleted scenes, CG Visual Effects stuff, and make up and lighting tests. (All in 480i or 480p)

While all the extras are signfigantly lower in resolution (and memory used) then the movie, the movie is longer then both DBZ movies combined, it has 2 PCM audio tracks, which take up SO much space that movies having PCM tracks was close to unheard of on DVD, AND has over 2 hours of video based (not including the commentary here) extras, even if they are SD or ED.

And Hellboy's video quality was damn near perfect.

Available memory on the disk for the DBZ release will NOT be an excuse.

If there is a quality problem on the disk, it is squarely on the encoding (and potentially the codec if for some stupid/insane reason Funi goes with MPEG-2) and 'remastering'

[FDLink]

Wasn't there some talk here of some resident forum-goers grouping up and confronting FUNi at their Comic Con booth about the Season Sets (and now this blu-ray movie)? Is that plan still going to happen?

[SatoSky]

Wasn't there some talk here of some resident forum-goers grouping up and confronting FUNi at their Comic Con booth about the Season Sets (and now this blu-ray movie)? Is that plan still going to happen?

That's right... totally forgot about that. Whoever said they were down with it, please don't puss out. I'd be right there with ya' if I had any money to actually get there.

[desirecampbell]

Wasn't there some talk here of some resident forum-goers grouping up and confronting FUNi at their Comic Con booth about the Season Sets (and now this blu-ray movie)? Is that plan still going to happen?

Not to point any fingers or anything, but isn't that, um, terrorism? These people have no way of enacting any change, or doing anything really, except saying whatever they've been told about the sets. All confronting them willl do is A) make them uncomfortable, and possibly frightened, B) probably get you guys kicked out of the con, and C) give DragonBall fans, and maybe even DaizEX a bad name.

I'm not saying Funi shouldn't be taken to task about the blatant lies and poor choices of the seasons sets - but harassing con reps isn't the way to do it.

Ask the reps, nicely, about getting in contact with someone higher-up in Funi. Tell them you want to ask them some questions about Dragonball, the season sets and the future of Drahonball (Hell, if you can get an interview with anyone, that'd be peachy). Get someone to talk to, and ask them, nicely but straightly, why Funi lied and made the choices they did.


I repeat: ask, don't harass.

[FDLink]

Hey, I'm just trying to affirm what I heard. But even if it happens, I wouldn't say that it's terrorism. Confrontations don't have to be mean-spirited, nasty or violent. I'm not in the area, but I still support anyone who wants to give it a go.

[desirecampbell]

Hey, I'm just trying to affirm what I heard. But even if it happens, I wouldn't say that it's terrorism. Confrontations don't have to be mean-spirited, nasty or violent. I'm not in the area, but I still support anyone who wants to give it a go.

Good, good. I just wouldn't want it (well intentioned as it is) to become a showdown between a DaizEX mob and some Funi shills.

Think of the children!

[SatoSky]

I agree with both of you. It should be kept as civil as possible, obviously the best way to get anything accomplished is to treat every con rep with a certain level of courtesy. Randomly yelling at them about the season sets or throwing rotten tomatoes at them will get us no where.

Be nice, but do not be a push over.

[Joshua]

The films clearly weren't intended to be seen in 4:3, there are moments when characters are missing limbs starting right where the cutoff from 16:9 to 4:3 goes because they didn't animate it.

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know where I can find any examples of what these "missing limbs" look like? Is it really that severe and obvious that the movies were made to be cropped into widescreen?

[Vegard Aune]

The films clearly weren't intended to be seen in 4:3, there are moments when characters are missing limbs starting right where the cutoff from 16:9 to 4:3 goes because they didn't animate it.

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know where I can find any examples of what these "missing limbs" look like? Is it really that severe and obvious that the movies were made to be cropped into widescreen?

Well, it's not a missing arm or anything, but there is one scene in Movie 3:

The Masenko-beam abrubtly ends near the top of the frame. That error is not visible on the Dragonbox.

[desirecampbell]

The films clearly weren't intended to be seen in 4:3, there are moments when characters are missing limbs starting right where the cutoff from 16:9 to 4:3 goes because they didn't animate it.

Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know where I can find any examples of what these "missing limbs" look like? Is it really that severe and obvious that the movies were made to be cropped into widescreen?

But the most damning piece of evidence is that the movies were shown cropped into widescreen in theatres, and they were released cropped into wicrescreen on the Movies Dragonbox.

[BrollysKin]

Well, I guess when it comes out someone should post comparisons of the original funimation version, this new version and the dragonbox version.

[EricM]

Hopefully they do the crop to widescreen correctly. In the season DVDs they just captured they center of the frame, not where the important part of the scene is.

Hopefully for the widescreen movies they won't crop dead center again, they will copy where the crop is in the original cut. Meaning if the shot is of the uperhalf of the 4:3 frame they will cut out the bottom half, not just the center everytime.

[EricM]

But the most damning piece of evidence is that the movies were shown cropped into widescreen in theatres, and they were released cropped into wicrescreen on the Movies Dragonbox.

I don't really like the term cropped. They were designed for the theatrical widescreen in mind, so the layout of the shots were setup that way. The fullscreen version just has "extra stuff", not non-crop IMHO.

[Conan the SSJ]

Hopefully they do the crop to widescreen correctly. In the season DVDs they just captured they center of the frame, not where the important part of the scene is.

Hopefully for the widescreen movies they won't crop dead center again, they will copy where the crop is in the original cut. Meaning if the shot is of the uperhalf of the 4:3 frame they will cut out the bottom half, not just the center everytime.

After watching all the movie footage I could in the Season 1 tech trailer, it looks as if it'll be a "dead center" crop. Example being as Broly's walking towards Goku on the morning of their big battle, his eyes start to go out of frame. It may as well be said, these movies were remastered/cropped/whatnot long ago, as we saw in that trailer. We already know from false advertising that FUNi didn't get any "original film prints", these have been DVNRed to death and autopilot telecined, and cropped in exactly the manner as the season sets have been. The tech trailer being the proof, as they have specifically movies 8 and 10 out of all the features (along with some of the We Gotta Power opening).

I don't really like the term cropped. They were designed for the theatrical widescreen in mind, so the layout of the shots were setup that way. The fullscreen version just has "extra stuff", not non-crop IMHO.

They were animated in 4:3 and therefore are cropped. There's no other term to use ("extra stuffed" wouldn't help).

[MarcFBR]

They were animated in 4:3 and therefore are cropped. There's no other term to use ("extra stuffed" wouldn't help).

That isn't actually correct.

There are at least 2 other terms, matted out and masked.

Technically in the case of the movie you are talking about a matte or a mask, not a crop (although for ease of not having to explain it, I tend to just use crop anyways).