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Post by bkev » Mon May 19, 2008 12:53 am

Do want comparisons from original releases.

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Post by Kaboom » Mon May 19, 2008 1:01 am

bkev wrote:Do want comparisons from original releases.
Agreed. I'd say just the same shots as the ones already taken from the Remastered would be good enough.

I have the First Strike box, but it's all put away at the moment and I'll be going to bed in a bit. >_> But if nobody's taken any caps by tomorrow night, I guess I will.

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Post by Lavender Saiyan » Mon May 19, 2008 1:07 am

It's amazing how beautiful these caps look, esspecially compared to the Season Sets.

But on the subject of the DBOX...I have to say, that comparison there does look foggy...I really think these Remastered FUNi Movies look better. The image is much clear and the colors look better. Brighter, but not overly saturated. I think that the DBOX, amazing as it is, is sometimes overrated. Have you guys seen some of the Remastered Disney films? They brighten up the colors there too. That's what happens when things get remastered, they try and make it look like something more recent (i.e. Brighter colors).

Also, we have a good 4-Way Comparison thanks to EX's old 3 way.

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Post by Vekurotto » Mon May 19, 2008 1:28 am

Alright I'll put some up later I'm going to bed now but when I wake up I'll but some up at least of the ones that are already up.

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Oh yeah I agree with most of what you're saying but I still think we can't say anything about these until we actually see them in motion for ourselves. I mean on Funi's version we not entirely sure if things like Rainbowing be a problem, what about encoding? What about dirt and junk still left in the picture? Or if they fixed this one part in the Garlic Jr movie where you can see this huge line of film damage (I'll hopefully show that tomorrow if you don't know what I'm talking about). You see a screencap's fine but it really doesn't tell you everything that you'd be seeing while you watch the movie, like seasons 3 and 4 for example. To me it looked amazing in screencapped form then when I saw it motion didn't look all that great and I thought the old releases looked better(even though they were really grainy). And like Desire pointed out, some of the backgrounds look so dark in Funi's that it's to the point where you can't see anything that's not higher than a "bright" color. Like I seriously thought Piccolo and Goku were fighting in a black room rather than a dimly lit room when I first saw that screencap earlier today. So either way I don't see why people shouldn't get this if they don't have it already(which they might), but so far, they look like the best Funi DB product yet, but I still can't say that these'll look better than the Dragonbox version. That's me though.
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Post by Kaboom » Mon May 19, 2008 1:32 am

Hey, the colors really are a lot better now. Exactly the same as the Dbox, just sharpened and minus the slight "fogginess." Garlic's actually blue. Score.

EDIT: I decided to slap together a more straight-forward comparison shot real quick. Just to make it a little easier to examine the two without having to switch tabs or windows.

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Post by Vekurotto » Mon May 19, 2008 11:39 am

From Movie 1. You'll know which is which

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I'll put the ones from Movie 2 later on but yeah, most of those are the exact same frame if not really close to it. And yeah I knew Funi's old releases were ugly but I didn't know they were that ugly.
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Post by ultimateemail5000 » Mon May 19, 2008 12:06 pm

Yeah like I said you can't make judgements if you haven't seen it in motion. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but you simply can't say that "OMG *this one* is so much better than *that one*!" on a release of two versions of a movie that you don't even have.
1. I really don't care that much of a shit to buy the DBOX's, I guess I'm not that big of a fan.

2. Just because I said the Funimation screencap was better, doesn't mean that everybody else has to fully agree with me.

In every thread about Funimation's release though, it's always the same people who just go, "This is not worthy of my purchase, I'm not buying these, the quality sucks, Dragon Box rules!" Why not just admit it that you spent way too much money on those boxes, and really don't feel like buying the same thing again.
Vekurotto wrote:From Movie 1. You'll know which is which

I'll put the ones from Movie 2 later on but yeah, most of those are the exact same frame if not really close to it. And yeah I knew Funi's old releases were ugly but I didn't know they were that ugly.
I was curious what FUNIMATIONS VERY OWN COMPARISONS would look like, and I like what I'm seeing.

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Post by ect5150 » Mon May 19, 2008 12:40 pm

ultimateemail5000 wrote:Why not just admit it that you spent way too much money on those boxes, and really don't feel like buying the same thing again.
Hmmm... what makes more sense? Buying a more expensive set once, or buying a cheaper set more than once? How many times has DBZ Movie #1 been released in the US?

There are some people who buy all versions, but I think you'll have a hard time arguing they feel like they spent too much if they buy all of them (all of them being US and Japanese versions).
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Post by NeptuneKai » Mon May 19, 2008 12:47 pm

I can't remember if I put my own two cents in on this product yet but the quality is absolutely astonishing. It looks like I'll have to break down and upgrade my TV and my old DVD player. As for the whole Dragonbox Vs. Funi's product ordeal I think they are both good in their own ways. (What a cliche' line...I know :roll: )
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Post by Vegard Aune » Mon May 19, 2008 1:17 pm

Apart from that shot of Piccolo after he... I don't know, shot something on the wall?, everything looked pretty good. It just looked a bit too bright. Still, this seems like it's:
1) The best release of the movies that we're gonna see outside of Japan, and
2) Actually a good release,
So I'll propably get it... eventually.

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Post by theoriginalbilis » Mon May 19, 2008 1:18 pm

Just for the record, these Double Feature releases of the movies will probably be the last time I buy these movies. I previously owned all 3 original Pioneer DVDs of Movies 1-3, and all 13 Movie releases from FUNi. I don't plan to continuously buy DBZ movies over & over again the rest of my life. These DVDs & the Season Sets will be the last purchases of DBZ I make. There's other anime DVDs that deserve my attention too, like One Piece.

I've watched some of the DragonBox movies, thanks to a friend, and I'm actually really jealous I didn't have the money to spend on them, but these new releases are far & away the best versions of the movies I've spent my hard-earned cash on.
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Post by desirecampbell » Mon May 19, 2008 1:22 pm

ultimateemail5000 wrote:2. Just because I said the Funimation screencap was better, doesn't mean that everybody else has to fully agree with me.
Opinions are fine, but simply asserting that one is 'better' than the other means there's some kind of fact to prove. For instance, it's a fact that the Dragon Box has manually retouched image quality, and the proper colours - while the Funi releases all have colour changes, and machine-automated 'remastering' (that has had problems above and beyond colour correction). These are things one could use to say that the DBox is better than the Funi releases, at least in an objective, technical aspect.
ultimateemail5000 wrote:... Why not just admit it that you spent way too much money on those boxes, and really don't feel like buying the same thing again.
Actually, I bet most of the people here who have DBoxes would gladly buy the series again, if it was a release comparable to the DBoxes.

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Post by Vekurotto » Mon May 19, 2008 2:17 pm

Movie 2. I had to compress the original Funi version to a HQ JPEG because they wouldn't load to Photobucket no matter what I did. Go figure.

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Post by shotkeeper » Mon May 19, 2008 2:58 pm

Man, DBox vs. Remastered is useless. I just hate that if you don't like Dragonbox everyone puts you in a different group. If you get what I mean.

Anyways, I had a question to those who own Movie 1 and 2. Do they contain grain? The Bardock and Trunks special had way too much grain.

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Post by Vekurotto » Mon May 19, 2008 3:13 pm

shotkeeper wrote:Anyways, I had a question to those who own Movie 1 and 2. Do they contain grain?
Well it looks like from the last comparison shot I made for Movie 1 that there still is a large amount of grain. Actually it kinda looks like the same amount of grain.
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Post by Raki » Mon May 19, 2008 3:24 pm

While I think Funi's new movie sets are great, I still like the old look of the Dragonbox movie releases.
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Post by Vekurotto » Mon May 19, 2008 3:30 pm

desirecampbell wrote:Actually, I bet most of the people here who have DBoxes would gladly buy the series again, if it was a release comparable to the DBoxes.
Hmm...I'm pretty sure I wouldn't, and I know I'm damn sure that I wouldn't for the movies. I have Funi's First Strike version, the original Pioneer releases with the uncut Ocean dub, and the Dragonbox version that I put the subs from Funi's First Strike set on and they do it for me. I'm not really interested in Funi's dub and other than that, it seems like the only selling point for these to people like me, who already have 3 versions of these two movies, is that the picture looks brighter and sharper than their old releases and I can see a little more picture overall than the Dragonbox even with cropping.

But really, I don't see any real reason for me to now quadruple, and with the other movies triple, dip unless somebody gives this to me as a gift or if I can find it really cheap, like under $10 cheap. Point is, I've got enough of these movies and I don't see a reason to buy them again even if they brought a release comparable to the Dragonbox. I just don't have that kind of money to buy the same things again and again only with minor tweaks. That's me though.
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Post by shotkeeper » Mon May 19, 2008 3:45 pm

If I had the Dragonbox I would forget the world, lock myself up and watch the series 100 times over again. Never even think about other releases, but If I had remastered I would do the same.

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Post by Captain Awesome » Mon May 19, 2008 10:03 pm

So has anyone picked these up on Blu-Ray yet? (I'm dying to see some lossless caps from that) Or aren't they out yet?

Though these are a step up in quality over the previous releases, I'm still glad I picked up the movies in 4:3.

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Post by ultimateemail5000 » Mon May 19, 2008 10:11 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:So has anyone picked these up on Blu-Ray yet? (I'm dying to see some lossless caps from that) Or aren't they out yet?

Though these are a step up in quality over the previous releases, I'm still glad I picked up the movies in 4:3.
Well I started this thread saying I just got the Blu-ray Disc on my door step. So yeah I have it, but I don't feel like hooking my PS3 up to my PC to get screencaps.

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