Woohoo! More News About The New Dragonball Special!

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:14 am

Victator Supreme wrote:
Fucking hell. This is the kind of diarrhea of the mouth I'd expect to see on GameFAQs or ANN, not here. No, just because it exists you are not entitled to see it. Yes, the makers of the product are entitled to get paid for their efforts no matter how much of a fucking hassle it is for you to compensate them.

"No practical legal way to see" is bullshit and you know it. There's always a practical legal way to see something and if you miss out you miss out. Get the fuck over yourself. Damn.
Um its not bullshit. But guess what you can whine, moan and be a self righteous ass, but I'm still going to download it. See nobody said anything about entitlement. It is there and for the taking, I will take. Get it son? Once a legal means for me to obtain a copy appears I will then buy it. I've spent over 200 dollars on Dragonball this year. I've spent a ton more on other shows and books I could easily get for free. So take your speechifying and shove it.

There is no practical way to see it. Its not even getting a full theatrical release in Japan. It will not likely be on dvd in Japan for at least six months. Most likely not on an official dvd in America for a long time. So if I'm to bide my time watching a avi file, thats fine with me.

Like I said you feel so bad, take up a collection.

Just as a warning don't say anything you'll regret later about bootlegs or illegally watching a movie. It's the equivalent of calling a black guy the "N" word here on Daizex...take it from someone who's been there.

Do I find it stupid too, yes but for the greater good it's not worth starting an all out war with the members here and killing your reputation.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:25 am

Less snarky, less self-importance, less irrelevance, or more lock-y coming-y.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:25 am

Xyex wrote:OVA implies that it is a movie.

Er... Nope?
And are we still arguing about that? Really?
Even the guys at Toei call it an OVA. Please get over it already...

It's no ore OVA than the opening videos to Budokai 2/3 and Sagas.

Those weren't produced/released for the home video market, were they?

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:26 am

Xyex wrote:Fucking hell. This is the kind of diarrhea of the mouth I'd expect to see on GameFAQs or ANN, not here. No, just because it exists you are not entitled to see it. Yes, the makers of the product are entitled to get paid for their efforts no matter how much of a fucking hassle it is for you to compensate them.

"No practical legal way to see" is bullshit and you know it. There's always a practical legal way to see something and if you miss out you miss out. Get the fuck over yourself. Damn.

I was just about to say the same thing.

The makers of a product are entitled to make a product. They're entitled to try and get paid for it.

Theft is bad. File sharing isn't theft. If you were over at your friend's house and saw Dragon Ball on TV you aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If that friend taped it off of TV and lent it to you, you still aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If your friend from Japan mailed you a tape of some episode he saw on TV aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. Right? You aren't seriously saying you would feel obligated to compensate Toriyama, each and every member of the Toei production team, and Fugi TV, are you?

*pointed look*

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But we're getting off-topic. So, special! Looks... special!

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:00 pm

So, have there been any showings yet of the special in Japan?

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 12:40 pm

Most of these replies make my brain hurt, although I did see an interesting one about character model sheets, I would also like to see those please :)

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:02 pm

If you were over at your friend's house and saw Dragon Ball on TV you aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If that friend taped it off of TV and lent it to you, you still aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If your friend from Japan mailed you a tape of some episode he saw on TV aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. Right? You aren't seriously saying you would feel obligated to compensate Toriyama, each and every member of the Toei production team, and Fugi TV, are you?

There's a huge hole in that, though. TV. If it's on the TV then Toei and everyone else, they already got paid for it. They're called commercials.

Er... Nope?
And are we still arguing about that? Really?
Even the guys at Toei call it an OVA. Please get over it already...

Last I checked Toei doesn't have a "Video game walkthrough" section, so what else would the list it under? Just because you call a dandelion a rose doesn't mean it's a rose.

Those weren't produced/released for the home video market, were they?

Neither was the walkthrough. It was produced/released as a gudie to a video game. Nothing more. If the walkthrough fits the criteria for an OVA than any animation ever released on a video format, such as the previously mentioned openings, would also be OVAs.

Anyway, yeah, this is getting way off topic.

Only about, what, a week before the first showing of this, right? You'd think we'd have more information than we do....

And I don't see how Aka can be a fusion of Avo and Kado. First of all, he looks almost nothing like them. All fusions thus far have been quite similar to their bases. Secondly, no fusion has ever done Avo & Kado name splicing. They've all been Goten & Trunks, Goku and Vegeta, and Vegeta and Kakarotto. IE: begining of one, ending of the other. I don't see why it'd break that tradition now.

Post by **desirecampbell** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:04 pm

Xyex wrote:
If you were over at your friend's house and saw Dragon Ball on TV you aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If that friend taped it off of TV and lent it to you, you still aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If your friend from Japan mailed you a tape of some episode he saw on TV aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. Right? You aren't seriously saying you would feel obligated to compensate Toriyama, each and every member of the Toei production team, and Fugi TV, are you?
There's a huge hole in that, though. TV. If it's on the TV then Toei and everyone else, they already got paid for it. They're called commercials.

Hey, so they've made all that money from commercials, so it's okay to share the tapes, right? Or, analogically, DVD isos? Since, as you've said, they've already been paid from the commercials when they were first aired.

So, as long as the show's been aired somewhere it's fine to "pirate" it? Is that what you're saying?

Joey Batz · Post by **Joey Batz** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:52 pm

Dayspring wrote:Am I seriously the only person who has every intention of downloading this (without feeling remotely bad about it) regardless of whether or not there's an official DVD release? Unless a flawless English sub is on it, I'm not interested in owning it one bit.

Did I hear you right?
Did I hear you sayin'
That you're gonna make a copy of a game without payin'?
Don't copy...
DON'T COPY THAT FLOPPY!

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:56 pm

desirecampbell wrote:
Xyex wrote:
If you were over at your friend's house and saw Dragon Ball on TV you aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If that friend taped it off of TV and lent it to you, you still aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. If your friend from Japan mailed you a tape of some episode he saw on TV aren't morally obligated to send a cheque to Toriyama. Right? You aren't seriously saying you would feel obligated to compensate Toriyama, each and every member of the Toei production team, and Fugi TV, are you?
There's a huge hole in that, though. TV. If it's on the TV then Toei and everyone else, they already got paid for it. They're called commercials.
Hey, so they've made all that money from commercials, so it's okay to share the tapes, right? Or, analogically, DVD isos? Since, as you've said, they've already been paid from the commercials when they were first aired.

So, as long as the show's been aired somewhere it's fine to "pirate" it? Is that what you're saying?

Holy fuck, you can not honestly tell me you're not being this stupid on purpose. But, I'll explain it anyway, just in case.

They made money from the comercials for that one airing of the episode. Having a recording of that airing, with the comercials intact, and re-watching it with friends or letting friends borrow it is no different than doing the same with a store bought VHS or DVD.

Copying said recording to give copies to friends, with or without the comericals, is akin to copying the store bougth VHS or DVD to give friends copies. Not legal but with very limited re-distribution most companies really wouldn't care. But copying said recording, with or without commericals (especially without), and then putting it online for everyone to get is the same as going into the store, grabbing 100 copies of the DVD, and then handing them out on the street corner.

Let's do an analogy for this to try and get the point across more clearly. You make a painting. You put the painting up for exhibition in a few galleries and take a small cut of the entry fee at the gallery while it's there. Someone comes along, pays the entry fee, and then snaps a picture of your painting.

Would you care if he showed five or six people the picture? No. Would you care if he started reproducing full size versions of the painting and givning them away to everyone and their grandmother so that your no longer getting any money for your hand work? Of course.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 2:59 pm

Wasted Wisher wrote:I finally sent a WinRar file to both VegettoEX and backthen with ALL the character model sheets I have of the characters who will appear in the Jump Tour special. I hope they recieve them intact.

How many character model sheets are there? Can you please post the ones that haven’t been posted yet (if you just want to e-mail them to me I can post them for you).

Kid Trunks wrote:
Xyex wrote: There's more NES video game footage on that VHS than there is animation. OVA implies that it is a movie. Plan to Erradicate the Saiya-jins is not a movie. It's a video game and a video game walkthrough with some nifty animations to help catch peoples attentions and make them buy it.
Meh. Its got about an hours footage (longer than most DBZ movies), its about as canonical as any other Z movie (which isn't much), its a movie to me. Not to mention its better than some of the actual movies.

I agree with you that it's much better than most of the movies, but I just wanted to point out that all of the flashback scenes of the Saiya-jin/Tsufuru war on Planet Plant are canonical (by the standards of most of the fans out there).

Raki wrote:So, have there been any showings yet of the special in Japan?

Nope. Just 8 more days and the lucky people of Osaka will hopefully be posting some reviews of the special.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:22 pm

VegettoEX wrote:Less snarky, less self-importance, less irrelevance, or more lock-y coming-y.

**Achem**

Xyex wrote:And I don't see how Aka can be a fusion of Avo and Kado. First of all, he looks almost nothing like them. All fusions thus far have been quite similar to their bases. Secondly, no fusion has ever done Avo & Kado name splicing. They've all been Goten & Trunks, Goku and Vegeta, and Vegeta and Kakarotto. IE: begining of one, ending of the other. I don't see why it'd break that tradition now.

Personally I get the impression that it's partially random. "Goten" from "Gotenks" isn't just part of Goten's name, you know? I think Toriyama grabs what he wants, depending on the fusion style. For example, Piccolo remains Piccolo instead of "Naiccolo" and later "Kamicollo."

Plus it might be a name pun; "Aka" means "red," if I'm not mistaken. Since he looks like Dodoria, he might also be the result of a fusion between Avo and a henchmen that's merely the same race as Dodoria. IE: the "ka" comes from the henchmen's name.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:26 pm

Whatever form of fusion they're using doesn't HAVE to work the same way as the three we've already seen. Two smaller, less-intimidating fighters joining to form one larger, stronger, scarier one isn't out of the question.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:48 pm

Dayspring wrote:Personally I get the impression that it's partially random. "Goten" from "Gotenks" isn't just part of Goten's name, you know?

Goten + Trunks, is the likely excuse.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:52 pm

Rocketman wrote:
Dayspring wrote:Personally I get the impression that it's partially random. "Goten" from "Gotenks" isn't just part of Goten's name, you know?
Goten + Trunks, is the likely excuse.

Either way, the "beginning of one and end of the other" isn't upheld that strictly in the only case it's used in, so why should it apply to unknown case?

It's up there with Krillin's rules about Super Saiyans: they get explained to us for the first time when they're being broken, and they come from an unreliable source.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:14 pm

Xyex wrote:
Those weren't produced/released for the home video market, were they?
Neither was the walkthrough.

Er... Yes, it was.

It was produced/released as a gudie to a video game.

... for the home video market. So it's an OVA.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 5:57 pm

Xyex wrote:Let's do an analogy for this to try and get the point across more clearly. You make a painting. You put the painting up for exhibition in a few galleries and take a small cut of the entry fee at the gallery while it's there. Someone comes along, pays the entry fee, and then snaps a picture of your painting.

Would you care if he showed five or six people the picture? No. Would you care if he started reproducing full size versions of the painting and givning them away to everyone and their grandmother so that your no longer getting any money for your hand work? Of course.

Perfect analogy. With all of the illegal viewing people are more and more just not buying their anime. I have nothing against watching something online before it gets a US release and then buying the US release. I plan to do that myself with this special and hold on to the hopes that FUNi will get the rights to this.

But I don't think it's right for hundreds of thousands of people to view something that they could go out and buy. There's a reason why the copyright holders are allowed to have this stuff taken down. Because it IS illegal. Regardless of what people personally think it doesn't change the fact that it is against the law.

Victator Supreme · Post by **Victator Supreme** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:10 pm

Gozar wrote:
Xyex wrote:Let's do an analogy for this to try and get the point across more clearly. You make a painting. You put the painting up for exhibition in a few galleries and take a small cut of the entry fee at the gallery while it's there. Someone comes along, pays the entry fee, and then snaps a picture of your painting.

Would you care if he showed five or six people the picture? No. Would you care if he started reproducing full size versions of the painting and givning them away to everyone and their grandmother so that your no longer getting any money for your hand work? Of course.
Perfect analogy. With all of the illegal viewing people are more and more just not buying their anime. I have nothing against watching something online before it gets a US release and then buying the US release. I plan to do that myself with this special and hold on to the hopes that FUNi will get the rights to this.

But I don't think it's right for hundreds of thousands of people to view something that they could go out and buy. There's a reason why the copyright holders are allowed to have this stuff taken down. Because it IS illegal. Regardless of what people personally think it doesn't change the fact that it is against the law.

Nobody has argued its legal. Its more nobody cares. Seeing the huge sales of Dragonball dvd sales in Japan and America, it obviously has no real effect.

DNA · Post by **DNA** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 6:31 pm

For christs sake, just shut up and post relevant stuff. Each new post is just more wood into the fire, you guys really want to see the topic closed, don't you? Seriously, just grow up and learn to accept others opinions.

Now someone give me that damned rar, I need my fix of dragon shit.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:49 pm

*Tries to jump in on-topic*.

Does anyone else think Table's definitely going to be related to Vegeta in some way?

I mean, if he were named anything else (Onion, eggplant, cucumber, etc) I'd say no, but the fact that its the second half of the word "vegetable" makes me wonder.

Also, is there a full scan of Goku in that fancy, Edgeworth-like shirt?