Woohoo! More News About The New Dragonball Special!

[Rocketman]

*Tries to jump in on-topic*.

Does anyone else think Table's definitely going to be related to Vegeta in some way?

I still like the idea that he's one of Vegeta's bastard children.

[Chuquita]

*Tries to jump in on-topic*.

Does anyone else think Table's definitely going to be related to Vegeta in some way?

I still like the idea that he's one of Vegeta's bastard children.

I'd love to see Bulma's reaction to that.

[Rocketman]

I'd love to see Bulma's reaction to that.

Well, Trunks is a bastard, so it might be "Eh".

[Snail]

Am I missing something here? How is Trunks a bastard?

[desirecampbell]

Copying said recording to give copies to friends, with or without the comericals, is akin to copying the store bougth VHS or DVD to give friends copies. Not legal but with very limited re-distribution most companies really wouldn't care. But copying said recording, with or without commericals (especially without), and then putting it online for everyone to get is the same as going into the store, grabbing 100 copies of the DVD, and then handing them out on the street corner.

No, it's not. Stealing a DVD (or a hundred) from a store, or a distribution line, or someone's house deprives them that item. It takes it away so they cannot use it for whatever purpose they had in mind.
Making a copy of a DVD doesn't deprive anyone of anything.

Let's do an analogy for this to try and get the point across more clearly. You make a painting. You put the painting up for exhibition in a few galleries and take a small cut of the entry fee at the gallery while it's there. Someone comes along, pays the entry fee, and then snaps a picture of your painting.
Would you care if he showed five or six people the picture? No. Would you care if he started reproducing full size versions of the painting and [giving] them away to everyone and their grandmother so that your no longer getting any money for your hand work? Of course.

Bad analogy.

I've been asked a few times now about using my work for other art, to be posted on other websites, and the like.

Copyright is simply the right of an artist to his original work. It's a protection against misrepresentation, not distribution.

That's why none of my works here have copyright licences. I don't believe in hampering distribution or re-use.

Anyone is free to use my works however they see fit. I don't require notification, I don't require credit, I don't require reimbursement - any of that would be nice, but it's not necessary.

Am I missing something here? How is Trunks a bastard?

Bulma and Vegeta weren't married at the time of conception, thus, 'bastard'.

[Snail]

Bastard, by definition:

-asshole: insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous
-the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents
-bogus: fraudulent; having a misleading appearance
-derogatory term for a variation that is not genuine; something irregular or inferior or of dubious origin;

I always thought that it was the first description above.. Wow. Cool.

[Victator Supreme]

I think Trunks would not quite qualify. Since they were common law married. Oh I forgot future Trunks, yeah he is a bastard.

[DNA]

Bastard, by definition:

-asshole: insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or irritating or ridiculous
-the illegitimate offspring of unmarried parents
-bogus: fraudulent; having a misleading appearance
-derogatory term for a variation that is not genuine; something irregular or inferior or of dubious origin;

I always thought that it was the first description above.. :lol: Wow. Cool.

Hmm, yeah I think by the time of GT Trunks falls in all those categories. He is a bastard then.

[Captain Awesome]

Not to steer this thread back onto the piracy argument, but if you are recording a legally broadcast television show onto VHS/DVD/Whatever, you are breaking the law, is it enforced?, of course not, but the fact is you are reproducing copyrighted material and have absolutely no legal right to do so.

So if you tape things off television, I know it's a technicality, but that puts you in the same legal position as all of us unholy bastard children who would like to see the new Dragonball special a little early.

Food for thought.

Thats the way it is in my country anyway, I'm not familiar with United States Copyright law.

[Victator Supreme]

Not to steer this thread back onto the piracy argument, but if you are recording a legally broadcast television show onto VHS/DVD/Whatever, you are breaking the law, is it enforced?, of course not, but the fact is you are reproducing copyrighted material and have absolutely no legal right to do so.

So if you tape things off television, I know it's a technicality, but that puts you in the same legal position as all of us unholy bastard children who would like to see the new Dragonball special a little early.

Food for thought.

Thats the way it is in my country anyway, I'm not familiar with United States Copyright law.

The Supreme Court ruled that as fair use.

[Captain Awesome]

The Supreme Court ruled that as fair use.

Oh well, I guess it's just my country that has prehistoric copyright legislation.

But my moral point remains clear!

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

The Supreme Court ruled that as fair use.

Oh well, I guess it's just my country that has prehistoric copyright legislation.

But my moral point remains clear!

If it helps at all, our slightly-less archaic copyright "legislation" came from a court that was made up of justices that were not elected by the people. The fact that the Supreme Court has been given the power to effectively make new legislation is a rather dangerous step in the wrong direction for a government that is already messed up and far too centralized.

[Rocketman]

far too centralized.

That ship sailed long ago, buddy.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

A few comments about this thread:

1) Stop arguing over the legal ramifications of watching the new special when it comes out. It's obviously not *legal* but nobody's going to bust your door down if you do it, so who the fuck cares. Besides, what do you expect those of us who don't live in Japan to do, fly over there and blackmail some 12-year-old kid into giving us his ticket to one of the screenings? If you really do feel some silly moral opposition to watching it before it can legally be purchased on DVD, than just don't watch it, but don't complain about those of us who will because it just gets tiring and doesn't really add anything to the discussion at all.

2) Jesus Christ, stop arguing about whether or not the "OVA" is really an OVA. Who the fuck cares? You guys are arguing over semantics, nothing more. Having multiple page discussions on such an absurd topic is just a waste of time and thought. It was released directly to the home video market but was an animated guide to a video game. So, the pro-OVA and anti-OVA side are both right and wrong, and either side can call it whatever they want to. End of fucking story.

3) Continuing to argue needlessly will only get this thread locked. I don't want it locked, and I'm sure that nobody else does. Just lay off the bullshit side-arguments and get back to the topic at hand, please.

[Olivier Hague]

1) Stop arguing over the legal ramifications of watching the new special when it comes out. It's obviously not *legal* but nobody's going to bust your door down if you do it, so who the fuck cares.

So you'd say it's just a matter of risk? If you don't risk anything, "who cares?" Seriously?
Well, that's kinda depressing...

some silly moral opposition

Yeah, sorry, convenience trumps morality. I keep forgetting about that. How "silly" of me, indeed.

Jesus Christ, stop arguing about whether or not the "OVA" is really an OVA. Who the fuck cares? You guys are arguing over semantics, nothing more. Having multiple page discussions on such an absurd topic is just a waste of time and thought. It was released directly to the home video

... and that's all that matters. Unless you want to make up your own definition of "OVA," that is.

[Kendamu]

3) Continuing to argue needlessly will only get this thread locked. I don't want it locked, and I'm sure that nobody else does. Just lay off the bullshit side-arguments and get back to the topic at hand, please.

This thread isn't about season sets or the live-action movie. So, we might have a little more breathing room for debate, actually. Just as long as it doesn't get to fierce, we're good.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

some silly moral opposition

Yeah, sorry, convenience trumps morality. I keep forgetting about that. How "silly" of me, indeed.

These types of "morals" are subjective, my friend. Thinking it's somehow "immoral" to watch a special that is only being played in select screenings in a country on the other side of the world and won't be released on DVD for several months is more a personal hang-up of yours than anything else. I don't think any of us who'll watch it should have to feel guilty about it, and again, most people here fully intend on buying the DVD when it's released anyway.

Do you feel the need to pay the respective networks because a friend of yours made you a copy of a show he recorded off of TV? Of course not. The creators of this new DBZ special are getting money via the screenings, ticket sales, and all the advertising that goes with it. They'll also get money when the damn thing is released on DVD. Don't act like they're some sort of victims here when they make more money than you or I will ever see in our lifetimes.

... and that's all that matters. Unless you want to make up your own definition of "OVA," that is.

Obviously. It's a fucking OVA by strict definition, but for those "purist" fans who get enraged when someone calls it that simply because it also happens to be a video game walkthrough, well, they should just call it whatever they want while still shutting up about it for the sake and sanity of the rest of us. I've been on DBZ forums for years, and the "OVA" back-and-forth is seriously the most retarded argument I've ever seen.

[Raki]

The Supreme Court ruled that as fair use.

Oh well, I guess it's just my country that has prehistoric copyright legislation.

But my moral point remains clear!

If it helps at all, our slightly-less archaic copyright "legislation" came from a court that was made up of justices that were not elected by the people. The fact that the Supreme Court has been given the power to effectively make new legislation is a rather dangerous step in the wrong direction for a government that is already messed up and far too centralized.

The US Supreme Court doesn't consist of judges elected by the people. The President appoints them.

[Rocketman]

The US Supreme Court doesn't consist of judges elected by the people. The President appoints them.

But then the Supreme Court appoints the President...

Also, that was his point.

[Olivier Hague]

These types of "morals" are subjective, my friend.

Getting for free ("taking," really) something that's not intended to be free... I don't know, 'seems pretty clear to me, here?

I don't think any of us who'll watch it should have to feel guilty about it

Well, I think it'd be nice to, at the very least, remember that it's not "normal." Or maybe try not to single out people who do remember that.

Do you feel the need to pay the respective networks because a friend of yours made you a copy of a show he recorded off of TV? Of course not.

I wouldn't say that example is adequate... Not the same kind of source, not the same scale of distribution (at all)...

Don't act like they're some sort of victims here when they make more money than you or I will ever see in our lifetimes.

(... not sure about the animators...)
So you can't be rich and a victim? 'Guess I should stop paying for my cheeseburgers, then. ^^;

It's a fucking OVA by strict definition, but for those "purist" fans who get enraged when someone calls it that simply because it also happens to be a video game walkthrough, well, they should just call it whatever they want while still shutting up about it for the sake and sanity of the rest of us.

You'll note that I'm not arguing that it should be called this and not that. Is a documentary produced for theaters a movie or a documentary? Well, it's both.
Xyex doesn't appear to be arguing that it's also a walkthrough. He's arguing that it's not an OVA in the first place. Even though it is (according to both the definition of "OVA" and Tôei themselves).

That being said, I also wonder about this argument of Xyex's: "There's more NES video game footage on that VHS than there is animation."
Er... Is there, really?
My memory might be to blame, but I seem to remember it's the other way around... and by quite a big margin, actually.
Anyone?