Differences in each Viz edition

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I don`t think that the censorship that Viz gave to DB (namely the Vizbigs and the other editions with the same level of censorship or even less of it) is actually a problem.

But it is a problem! How will I live if I can't see Bulma's tits and Popo's lips! My precious Dragon Ball is ruined!

[Sprite Satan]

This thread is so full of strawmen I expected all the posts to spontaneously leave for the Emerald City, hoping for a brain from the wizard.

I mean, I understand censorship. I understand Japan and the United States have different cultural values which affect exactly what in terms of violence, sexuality and racial interpretation can be seen as acceptable. I get that ignoring this can lead to bad press, or diminish a potential audience due to having to raise the recommended reading age to compensate for the content. I realise that Japanese manga censorship is of less importance than, say, the recent horrific deaths of prominent Polish politicians or child abuse.

What I don't understand is why any of that means I should like, accept or not complain about it.

Of course, message boards are full of hyperbole and reactionary posts, everyone knows this. But everyone also seems to choose to ignore it and pretend that this stuff truly emotionally upsets everyone who doesn't like it. Yes, I want Bulma's boobs, Popo's lips, middle fingers and blood to appear uncensored. I'll come in here and say it really pisses me off that it isn't. I'm not really that pissed off, it doesn't ruin my day or even the time I spend typing the message but, hey, no, we're all out of touch with reality, holding this censorship on a pedestal of evil below the Holocaust but above Soylent Green.

Does the censorship affect the story? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Does it ruin my "precious" Dragon Ball? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Do I understand why it's censored? Yes. So what?

I wanted to read a well done translation of the Dragon Ball manga, not a Western Value Lesson edition of it. I'm not sure why that's so bad of me. It won't make me do much more than roll my eyes from time to time and, like others, make an occasional message board post about it but these days even that seems like too much for some folk, eh?

[Blue]

This thread is so full of strawmen I expected all the posts to spontaneously leave for the Emerald City, hoping for a brain from the wizard.

I mean, I understand censorship. I understand Japan and the United States have different cultural values which affect exactly what in terms of violence, sexuality and racial interpretation can be seen as acceptable. I get that ignoring this can lead to bad press, or diminish a potential audience due to having to raise the recommended reading age to compensate for the content. I realise that Japanese manga censorship is of less importance than, say, the recent horrific deaths of prominent Polish politicians or child abuse.

What I don't understand is why any of that means I should like, accept or not complain about it.

Of course, message boards are full of hyperbole and reactionary posts, everyone knows this. But everyone also seems to choose to ignore it and pretend that this stuff truly emotionally upsets everyone who doesn't like it. Yes, I want Bulma's boobs, Popo's lips, middle fingers and blood to appear uncensored. I'll come in here and say it really pisses me off that it isn't. I'm not really that pissed off, it doesn't ruin my day or even the time I spend typing the message but, hey, no, we're all out of touch with reality, holding this censorship on a pedestal of evil below the Holocaust but above Soylent Green.

Does the censorship affect the story? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Does it ruin my "precious" Dragon Ball? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Do I understand why it's censored? Yes. So what?

I wanted to read a well done translation of the Dragon Ball manga, not a Western Value Lesson edition of it. I'm not sure why that's so bad of me. It won't make me do much more than roll my eyes from time to time and, like others, make an occasional message board post about it but these days even that seems like too much for some folk, eh?

Tell us how you really feel.

[Sprite Satan]

Tell us how you really feel.

I'm sorry, I don't know you nearly well enough for that sort of emotional commitment. I will say this though, I finally found my copy of Steambot Chronicles for the PS2.

EDIT: Oh, and I found some of my "Z" Viz manga, which is good, I need that too. Despite my only being able to read it for seconds at a time before blacking out due to nerd rage.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I'm against censorship as much as the next guy, but with the VizBigs we're getting a cheap, convenient release with some colour pages. Considering that we're getting all that, I personally can live with the minor censorship.


Even the single volumes have censorship (albeit less than the VizBigs). So no matter what type of American Manga you're buying, there's always gonna be censorship.


Do you really despise censorship and want it to be sent to the depths of hell? Fine, learn Japanese and go buy the Kanzenban or the Tankoubon.

[Herms]

Are we allowed to award internets here? Because I think Sprite Satan has earned one.

[Amigo Ten]

I would wager that the instances of censorship are fewer than the instances of dialogue or name changes and coloured pages not being coloured, so it's less important to me.

[Gaffer Tape]

This thread is so full of strawmen I expected all the posts to spontaneously leave for the Emerald City, hoping for a brain from the wizard.

I mean, I understand censorship. I understand Japan and the United States have different cultural values which affect exactly what in terms of violence, sexuality and racial interpretation can be seen as acceptable. I get that ignoring this can lead to bad press, or diminish a potential audience due to having to raise the recommended reading age to compensate for the content. I realise that Japanese manga censorship is of less importance than, say, the recent horrific deaths of prominent Polish politicians or child abuse.

What I don't understand is why any of that means I should like, accept or not complain about it.

Of course, message boards are full of hyperbole and reactionary posts, everyone knows this. But everyone also seems to choose to ignore it and pretend that this stuff truly emotionally upsets everyone who doesn't like it. Yes, I want Bulma's boobs, Popo's lips, middle fingers and blood to appear uncensored. I'll come in here and say it really pisses me off that it isn't. I'm not really that pissed off, it doesn't ruin my day or even the time I spend typing the message but, hey, no, we're all out of touch with reality, holding this censorship on a pedestal of evil below the Holocaust but above Soylent Green.

Does the censorship affect the story? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Does it ruin my "precious" Dragon Ball? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Do I understand why it's censored? Yes. So what?

I wanted to read a well done translation of the Dragon Ball manga, not a Western Value Lesson edition of it. I'm not sure why that's so bad of me. It won't make me do much more than roll my eyes from time to time and, like others, make an occasional message board post about it but these days even that seems like too much for some folk, eh?

Ah, if it wasn't well out of the capacity of what I'm allowed to do and wouldn't be totally obnoxious even if I could do it, I would SOOOOOOO make this entire post my sig line for years to come! Beautiful. Perfect. I love it.

[rereboy]

Believe me, I would LOVE all the color pages, but, to me, censoring is a bigger problem to me than color pages in a mostly black and white manga.

There are way more color panels in Dragon Ball than panels with edits. Way, way, more. Even if you include every single panel where Mr. Popo appears.

This thread is so full of strawmen I expected all the posts to spontaneously leave for the Emerald City, hoping for a brain from the wizard.

I mean, I understand censorship. I understand Japan and the United States have different cultural values which affect exactly what in terms of violence, sexuality and racial interpretation can be seen as acceptable. I get that ignoring this can lead to bad press, or diminish a potential audience due to having to raise the recommended reading age to compensate for the content. I realise that Japanese manga censorship is of less importance than, say, the recent horrific deaths of prominent Polish politicians or child abuse.

What I don't understand is why any of that means I should like, accept or not complain about it.

Of course, message boards are full of hyperbole and reactionary posts, everyone knows this. But everyone also seems to choose to ignore it and pretend that this stuff truly emotionally upsets everyone who doesn't like it. Yes, I want Bulma's boobs, Popo's lips, middle fingers and blood to appear uncensored. I'll come in here and say it really pisses me off that it isn't. I'm not really that pissed off, it doesn't ruin my day or even the time I spend typing the message but, hey, no, we're all out of touch with reality, holding this censorship on a pedestal of evil below the Holocaust but above Soylent Green.

Does the censorship affect the story? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Does it ruin my "precious" Dragon Ball? No, not really. So what? I still don't like it. Do I understand why it's censored? Yes. So what?

I wanted to read a well done translation of the Dragon Ball manga, not a Western Value Lesson edition of it. I'm not sure why that's so bad of me. It won't make me do much more than roll my eyes from time to time and, like others, make an occasional message board post about it but these days even that seems like too much for some folk, eh?

No one ever said you have to like it. Even I, who really likes the vizbigs, don`t really like the censorship. It would be better if there was none, by far.

However, I always make sure people know that, in Dragon ball, the censorship is not that big of a deal, since its minor (in the Vizbigs and a few others editions). That`s just it. There is stuff much more relevant.

[Gaffer Tape]

Believe me, I would LOVE all the color pages, but, to me, censoring is a bigger problem to me than color pages in a mostly black and white manga.

There are way more color panels in Dragon Ball than panels with edits. Way, way, more. Even if you include every single panel where Mr. Popo appears.

And I simply don't see it as quantifiably comparable in that sense. I'm certainly not counting individual pages of color vs. individual pages of censorship. But like I said, there is no one released version that is at all perfect, either here or in Japan, unfortunately, and this is where my priorities lay.

[Mewzard]

I own first editions of the Shonen Jump run, and they're mostly uncensored (The DB ones, not the Z ones. DB's censorship was mostly Mr. Popo's lips being removed). It was when Viz became Viz Media that the shonen jump line went from uncensored (Z was censored always during this line due to an A for All Ages rating) t for teen volumes to censored t for teen volumes, Zoro became Zolo, etc. I think the guys in charge at the time got das boot.

[Herms]

I think the guys in charge at the time got das boot.

I believe that would be Jason Thompson, who actually left willingly to pursue making his own comics.

[Mewzard]

Ah, it's a shame, they were really starting to progress towards something of minimal censoring (though, luckily, a few series have managed to avoid major censoring, but it's hit or miss these days).

[OutlawTorn]

I think the guys in charge at the time got das boot.

They got the boat? Which boat? I was unaware there was ever a boat involved.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I think the guys in charge at the time got das boot.

They got the boat? Which boat? I was unaware there was ever a boat involved.

I think he means they got fired.

[Rocketman]

I think the guys in charge at the time got das boot.

They got the boat? Which boat? I was unaware there was ever a boat involved.

I think he means they got fired.

...out of a torpedo tube?