Character derailment

[rereboy]

It was the Bad Man shirt. Irresistible.

[Vice]

Oh, the cruel fate of being married to a highly attractive billionaire women your age while living in her big ol' house.

No amount of money in the world changes the fact that she's a stone cold bitch.

[Insertclevername]

Oh, the cruel fate of being married to a highly attractive billionaire women your age while living in her big ol' house.

No amount of money in the world changes the fact that she's a stone cold bitch.

With a nice ass.

She really isn't stone cold at all. Just sorta full of her self. A bitch sure, but not heartless.

[B]

I wouldn't say it's derailment so much as it was a wasted opportunity, but I've been thinking lately about 18 playing a larger role in the Buu arc. A woman comes back front and center since, really, the Piccolo Daimao arc, and she kicks ass. Adjust the power scale where Buu doesn't demolish her and there you go. She's at least as strong as Piccolo, right?

[RandomGuy96]

She's nowhere near as strong since he went into the ROSAT. Piccolo's almost certainly several times stronger by the Buu arc.

[Vice]

Well, if the point about the base Saiyans in BoG is true than he is probably the same strength relative to the Super Saiyans as he was in the Cell Games. Or at least on a completely different tier than her.

[Nikkolas]

Vegeta never killed anyone okay? He only had Nappa do it.

And he only attempted to murder every last man, woman and child on Earth because he threw a temper tantrum about Goku being a challenge.

I don't know if this is a genuine argument or sarcasm. His underling did all of that on his command and if he had defeated the Z team, what do you think he would've done with every Earthling? Also, it's well established that Vegeta murdered mountains of people, children included.

It's sarcasm. Every time you try to point out how monstrous it is that Bulma made Yamcha stay under the same house as the guy who orchestrated his and his friends' murders, someone always toddles along and says "Vegeta never killed any of them!"

It's really kinda disgusting.

[VyeRo]

Of course, Vegeta's a victim of the circumstance. Bulma probably sought out Vegeta to spite Yamcha for supposedly cheating on her (anime filler I think touches upon this) and Vegeta was the first guy to treat her with respect instead of appeasing to her narcissistic mentality. The fact that she saw him shirtless probably helps.

That didn't happen though. We don't even see her actively pursueing Vegeta in filler, and certainly not to spite Yamcha. There's even no mention of him cheating (outside of Future Trunks mentioning it).
And Vegeta was the first guy to treat her with respect'? If anything, she had to teach him how to treat her with respect.

It's sarcasm. Every time you try to point out how monstrous it is that Bulma made Yamcha stay under the same house as the guy who orchestrated his and his friends' murders, someone always toddles along and says "Vegeta never killed any of them!"

It's really kinda disgusting.

Well, didn't the Namekians stay at Bulma's house as well? They have even better reason to object to Vegeta's presence.

But the group had no qualms about Vegeta staying at CC. No one even suggested the possiblity that Vegeta might turn on them and kill them all. So maybe they thought he wasn't that evil anymore, a reluctant ally who didn't seem to be dangerous.

[ABED]

I never thought of the Namekians. In any event, it's not like they had better options.

Everyone on the show is way too quick to trust.

[Draken]

Of course, Vegeta's a victim of the circumstance. Bulma probably sought out Vegeta to spite Yamcha for supposedly cheating on her (anime filler I think touches upon this) and Vegeta was the first guy to treat her with respect instead of appeasing to her narcissistic mentality. The fact that she saw him shirtless probably helps.

I dunno about the anime, but I know TFS made a nice little segment on it

[Nikkolas]

I think it's more like Bulma just loved Goku but she couldn't have Goku so Vegeta was the next best thing.

That's character consistency right there.

[Saiga]

It's sarcasm. Every time you try to point out how monstrous it is that Bulma made Yamcha stay under the same house as the guy who orchestrated his and his friends' murders, someone always toddles along and says "Vegeta never killed any of them!"

It's really kinda disgusting.

She didn't make Yamcha stay there, she let him. If he didn't like Vegeta living their he could have gone back to his own place. It's her parents' house, and as long as they're good with it, she can bloody well let whoever she wants crash there.

So I don't see what is so disgusting about it.

Also, people are going to say "Vegeta never killed any of them!" every time you imply that he did. You're just going to have to either accept that, or stop implying that.

[Kid Buu]

Then prepare to kill me, at least for the former, but what bothers me even more than that is that characters pretty much just shrug off this complete act of betrayal rather than hurl Vegeta into the sun before he causes any more catastrophic damage. But as for the rest of the characters, their complete idiocy of a "plan" coupled with their ridiculous selfishness at the beginning of the arc by saying, "Yeah, sure, we'll let Dr. Gero's evil plan come to fruition or else we'll be bored," only to pull a 180 (except for Vegeta) and say, "No, we can't let Cell's evil plan come to fruition because that's irresponsible." Puh-leeze.

Hmm? Trunks and Piccolo were the ones who didn't want Cell complete. Trunks would have easily have taken Bulma's idea to stop Gero. Piccolo in the Trunks arc and in the Android arc are not the same person.

[Michsi]

Then prepare to kill me, at least for the former, but what bothers me even more than that is that characters pretty much just shrug off this complete act of betrayal rather than hurl Vegeta into the sun before he causes any more catastrophic damage. But as for the rest of the characters, their complete idiocy of a "plan" coupled with their ridiculous selfishness at the beginning of the arc by saying, "Yeah, sure, we'll let Dr. Gero's evil plan come to fruition or else we'll be bored," only to pull a 180 (except for Vegeta) and say, "No, we can't let Cell's evil plan come to fruition because that's irresponsible." Puh-leeze.

Hmm? Trunks and Piccolo were the ones who didn't want Cell complete. Trunks would have easily have taken Bulma's idea to stop Gero. Piccolo in the Trunks arc and in the Android arc are not the same person.

The 180 actually happens before Cell. Piccolo and rest wanted to stop Dr. Gero from reactivating 17 and 18, despite that they defeated the first two relatively easy.

[DBZ Mick]

Well, Gohan was always very reluctant to fight unless he was forced to act and Cell was probably the first time he felt as though he was in the position to have the villain listen to him given it's his first real battle and it's to the death. Not to mention his latent powers were not brought upon the stuff that happens to him but rather the injustice he sees before him, which is why 16's death put it all to a climax (the callousness in how Cell treated the cyborg).

Somehow I can't see him reasoning like this with ReaCoom which was Gohan in a somewhat similar position. What about Freeza?

[DBZAOTA482]

Well, Gohan was always very reluctant to fight unless he was forced to act and Cell was probably the first time he felt as though he was in the position to have the villain listen to him given it's his first real battle and it's to the death. Not to mention his latent powers were not brought upon the stuff that happens to him but rather the injustice he sees before him, which is why 16's death put it all to a climax (the callousness in how Cell treated the cyborg).

Somehow I can't see him reasoning like this with ReaCoom which was Gohan in a somewhat similar position. What about Freeza?

1. He had no choice but to fight whenever he fought back, and it was made known that daddy was going to be coming home. Also, he didn't fight Freeza alone.
2. He wanted to revive Piccolo and co. not to appease to his Saiyan thirst for adrenaline.

[ABED]

Why does it matter that he knew his dad was coming? He didn't know when.

[Gaffer Tape]

Hmm? Trunks and Piccolo were the ones who didn't want Cell complete. Trunks would have easily have taken Bulma's idea to stop Gero. Piccolo in the Trunks arc and in the Android arc are not the same person.

None of them wanted Cell complete except for Vegeta. Piccolo tried to get #17 and #18 out of there when Cell showed up, as did #16. Trunks tried beating up Vegeta to stop it. Tenshinhan nearly sacrificed his own life to do so. Kuririn struggled with destroying #18 entirely to stop it from happening. And like Mischi says, it was pretty much the same thing when they all try to head off Dr. Gero returning to his laboratory. If by you saying that Piccolo isn't the same person means his assimilation of God, then that doesn't apply there, yet he was leading the charge to stop #17 and #18 from being activated.

[VyeRo]

I think it's more like Bulma just loved Goku but she couldn't have Goku so Vegeta was the next best thing.

That's character consistency right there.

Except she didn't 'love' Goku and it was never implied in the series. Yes, I know she thought he was 'hot' or something when he got older and then later on on Namek she made this comment about him, but it was never implied that she loved him in a romantic way and those comments were innocent enough.
And about character consistency, it depends on whether you think Vegeta is an upgrade or downgrade from Yamcha.

[Nikkolas]

I think it's more like Bulma just loved Goku but she couldn't have Goku so Vegeta was the next best thing.

That's character consistency right there.

Except she didn't 'love' Goku and it was never implied in the series. Yes, I know she thought he was 'hot' or something when he got older and then later on on Namek she made this comment about him, but it was never implied that she loved him in a romantic way and those comments were innocent enough.
And about character consistency, it depends on whether you think Vegeta is an upgrade or downgrade from Yamcha.

Well I was half-joking. I ship Goku and Bulma but I'm fully aware there's little to support them in canon.

As for being n upgrade or downgrade from Yamcha, the situations are different. She never had a kid with Yamcha somehow. Maybe she forgot to take the pill when she was with Vegeta that one night or whatever

I would say Yamcha was certainly a better boyfriend in the beginning as she was an actual boyfriend. Vegeta became a decent husband (they did get married by Buu, right?) eventually.

Well until he started blowing up innocent people in front of her. Logically that would damage a relationship.