So how is Mai not middle-aged?

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Re: So how is Mai not middle-aged?

Post by dbgtFO » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:36 am

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dragonballhero wrote:So.....is no one going to talk about the....VERY unexpected thing that *MAY* have occurred in ep 47? :eh:
I never thought Beerus would enjoy simple lettuce.
Indeed, I for one thought it was setting up a joke for Beerus hating on all vegetables!
But given how much time he's spent with those vegetable men, I guess they have grown on him..

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:37 am

Super's a lot easier to watch if you just think of it like GT. They're not going to bother to explain shit. The only consistent thing is that Goku is the bestest.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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Post by Bansho64 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 2:46 am

Mai doesn't look a 50 something year old because of Super wanting everyone to look like they just took a water break at the fountain of youth :lol: As the comment above said, you just kinda have to empty any logic you thought about using for the show and just throw it into the fiery pits of hell :twisted:

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Post by Grimlock » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:06 am

RandomGuy96 wrote:Super's a lot easier to watch if you just think of it like GT. They're not going to bother to explain shit. The only consistent thing is that Goku is the bestest.
The worst part of it is that you're actually right. They can't even make Goten's and Trunks' heights done right...

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Post by Shinomori » Sun Jun 12, 2016 1:19 pm

Kaboom wrote:And yet if they were transformed into literal babies by Shenlong, how the hell did they survive all this time? Do they have off-screen parents or a babysitter that we haven't been informed of?
It's possible someone found and adopted them. I guess we will never get a clear answer until it's explained in the show, which there is a chance it could be explained with interaction between Kid Trunks and the Pilaf Gang.

By the way, in this latest episode, it seemed to me like Trunks and Mai were a couple heehee. They live in an apartment building and they have a pet cat. (Looking at the raw episode, I thought the cat was just a stray, but with the subtitles it appears it was their cat.) I would like to get some more background on this in future episodes.

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Post by sailorspazz » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:31 pm

Shinomori wrote: By the way, in this latest episode, it seemed to me like Trunks and Mai were a couple heehee. They live in an apartment building and they have a pet cat. (Looking at the raw episode, I thought the cat was just a stray, but with the subtitles it appears it was their cat.) I would like to get some more background on this in future episodes.
It definitely felt like there was a romantic connection. Future Trunks tends to default to polite speech with most other characters (except enemies...and Vegeta :P), but he spoke with Mai using much more casual patterns. Hopefully he'll elaborate more on it once he regains consciousness. Since there were a couple shots of young Trunks looking at Mai in the preview, I wouldn't be surprised if those scenes were him reacting to the news of his future self being involved with Future Mai (or it's their last-ditch effort to pretend like the plot thread they left out of the Battle of Gods arc was actually happening in the background all along).
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:39 pm

Kaboom wrote:And yet if they were transformed into literal babies by Shenlong, how the hell did they survive all this time? Do they have off-screen parents or a babysitter that we haven't been informed of?
Maybe they have the brain of a adult inside the body of a baby. I mean Goku still had his mindset of a 50+ year old inside a body of a 12 year old. So I guess Pilaf, Shu and Mai found ways to survive as babies over the years in both timelines.
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Sun Jun 12, 2016 10:57 pm

Seriously though, that's exactly it. When Pilaf and co wished for youth, their minds didn't regress along with their bodies, so if they were wished back as infants, they still had the intellect of an adult and used that as a way to fend for themselves.
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Post by dragonballhero » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:25 pm

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Kaboom wrote:And yet if they were transformed into literal babies by Shenlong, how the hell did they survive all this time? Do they have off-screen parents or a babysitter that we haven't been informed of?
By the way, in this latest episode, it seemed to me like Trunks and Mai were a couple heehee. They live in an apartment building and they have a pet cat. (Looking at the raw episode, I thought the cat was just a stray, but with the subtitles it appears it was their cat.) I would like to get some more background on this in future episodes.
Yeah, I noticed it too. Also, we shouldn't forget that F. Trunks is, what, 30? 31? Also, due to the Pilaf Gang's wish for youth, it could be safe to say F. Mai is the same age as him. I'm pretty sure that's an acceptable age to be living together, right? However, there was one thing that I think might REALLY sell the idea (at least to me) that F. Trunks and F. Mai really are more deeply involved than we might think, and this is it: At the beginning of ep. 47, F. Trunks meets up with F. Bulma, and from their conversation, it sounds as if they haven't seen each other for a long time, possibly an entire year. Where else could F. Trunks have been living for all this time? I have an idea... :wink:

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Post by Muffin Man » Sun Jun 12, 2016 11:35 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Seriously though, that's exactly it. When Pilaf and co wished for youth, their minds didn't regress along with their bodies, so if they were wished back as infants, they still had the intellect of an adult and used that as a way to fend for themselves.
Not to mention someone could easily have just found them and taken them in/handed them over to the authorities. Hell this very same thing happens to baby Goku when he lands on earth.

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Post by Shinomori » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:28 am

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Kaboom wrote:And yet if they were transformed into literal babies by Shenlong, how the hell did they survive all this time? Do they have off-screen parents or a babysitter that we haven't been informed of?
By the way, in this latest episode, it seemed to me like Trunks and Mai were a couple heehee. They live in an apartment building and they have a pet cat. (Looking at the raw episode, I thought the cat was just a stray, but with the subtitles it appears it was their cat.) I would like to get some more background on this in future episodes.
Yeah, I noticed it too. Also, we shouldn't forget that F. Trunks is, what, 30? 31? Also, due to the Pilaf Gang's wish for youth, it could be safe to say F. Mai is the same age as him. I'm pretty sure that's an acceptable age to be living together, right? However, there was one thing that I think might REALLY sell the idea (at least to me) that F. Trunks and F. Mai really are more deeply involved than we might think, and this is it: At the beginning of ep. 47, F. Trunks meets up with F. Bulma, and from their conversation, it sounds as if they haven't seen each other for a long time, possibly an entire year. Where else could F. Trunks have been living for all this time? I have an idea... :wink:
I agree. There's a shot in the preview with young Trunks looking at Mai with a weird expression. Could it be Future Trunks reveal they were married? 8)

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Re: So how is Mai not middle-aged?

Post by buutenks » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:01 pm

I dont get it. The pilaf gang wished to be young prior to piccolo dying. The end, what is so hard?

Also why does it freaking matter?

Also, why trunks looks so young, duh he is a saiyan, goku is proly around 55 by now or 50 and he looks like he is in his mid 20s. Plus vegeta said saiyans fully mature at the age of 80 years old. Bulma's mom is around 50-60 and she looks very young.

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Post by sailorspazz » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:06 pm

dragonballhero wrote:However, there was one thing that I think might REALLY sell the idea (at least to me) that F. Trunks and F. Mai really are more deeply involved than we might think, and this is it: At the beginning of ep. 47, F. Trunks meets up with F. Bulma, and from their conversation, it sounds as if they haven't seen each other for a long time, possibly an entire year. Where else could F. Trunks have been living for all this time? I have an idea... :wink:
Not to mention Mai greeting Trunks with "welcome home" when he arrived. The scene very much implies that they were at the very least living together, and could've also been married (but we'll have to wait for Trunks' explanation to know for sure). I never really cared for their relationship as presented in Battle of Gods (like, just a cute little gag romance, nothing that I could actually get into shipping), but just from their scene in episode 47, I feel like they could have a touching, romantic history, and I'd really like to see it portrayed.
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Re: So how is Mai not middle-aged?

Post by dragonballhero » Mon Jun 13, 2016 8:06 pm

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dragonballhero wrote:However, there was one thing that I think might REALLY sell the idea (at least to me) that F. Trunks and F. Mai really are more deeply involved than we might think, and this is it: At the beginning of ep. 47, F. Trunks meets up with F. Bulma, and from their conversation, it sounds as if they haven't seen each other for a long time, possibly an entire year. Where else could F. Trunks have been living for all this time? I have an idea... :wink:
Not to mention Mai greeting Trunks with "welcome home" when he arrived. The scene very much implies that they were at the very least living together, and could've also been married (but we'll have to wait for Trunks' explanation to know for sure). I never really cared for their relationship as presented in Battle of Gods (like, just a cute little gag romance, nothing that I could actually get into shipping), but just from their scene in episode 47, I feel like they could have a touching, romantic history, and I'd really like to see it portrayed.
Hmm...I don't if they should be married (YET... :wink: ), but I can definitely see them simply living together as a couple by now. (As in a boyfriend and girlfriend living together, BTW.) After that scene you mentioned from ep. 47, I also really want to see their relationship grow into something interesting. Hopefully, F. Trunks elaborates on everything about his future next ep.

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Post by Faisal Shourov » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:19 pm

Mai is pedophile, I can't believe Toriyama is letting it pass such a way. Hopefully he explains Mai's age in next episodes
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Post by Avok » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:28 pm

Faisal Shourov wrote:Mai is pedophile, I can't believe Toriyama is letting it pass such a way. Hopefully he explains Mai's age in next episodes
Do you really think this is Toriyama's doing?

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Post by ryou766 » Fri Jun 24, 2016 6:30 pm

Avok wrote:
Faisal Shourov wrote:Mai is pedophile, I can't believe Toriyama is letting it pass such a way. Hopefully he explains Mai's age in next episodes
Do you really think this is Toriyama's doing?
If it wasn't, nevertheless, Toriyama is allowing it.

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Post by Avok » Fri Jun 24, 2016 7:13 pm

ryou766 wrote:
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Faisal Shourov wrote:Mai is pedophile, I can't believe Toriyama is letting it pass such a way. Hopefully he explains Mai's age in next episodes
Do you really think this is Toriyama's doing?
If it wasn't, nevertheless, Toriyama is allowing it.
You're right, but I sincerely think he doesn't care about those things (and I get that that's the problem).
If he didn't say anything about what they did to Videl despite him drawing her more active and tomboyish I really doubt he will say something about Mai being young.

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Re: So how is Mai not middle-aged?

Post by Sodhi » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:35 am

I mean if something is in his notes, then it'll definitely will be in both the manga and anime. Manga and Anime have to fill the gaps somehow, so they just do whatever their vision is, while the main story and outcome is the same.

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