Dragon Ball Daima: Episode 2 - Official Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

I doubt that the three wish part was anything more than Toriyama not wanting to come up with other wishes combined with him thinking that it would simply be funnier for Shen Long to say, "That service is reserved for our valued long-time customers."

I just realized, maybe Gohan and Videl aren't affected because they're probably busy giving life to Pan right now and that would somehow break the rules of white magic?

Pan wouldn’t be conceived yet, but it would be hilarious if Shen Long noticed that they were having sex and was like, "Nevermind, nevermind" and left lol

[Grimlock]

Yes, it was. They specifically asked Toriyama to draw Karin as he envisioned him. And he did:

In the past, he colored him white, blue and brown. He settled on white.

For that movie (and now for Dragon Ball Daima), perhaps. But again, nothing settled. Likewise, Namekuseijins will always have four fingers, even though Toriyama drew Monaito with five fingers. Just Toriyama conforming to the more popular appearance, if I were to guess a reason.

I just realized, maybe Gohan and Videl aren't affected because they're probably busy giving life to Pan right now and that would somehow break the rules of white magic?

Somehow I doubt Videl will spend the next four years pregnant.

[jjgp1112]

[*]I wonder if Gohan's absence is due to Toriyama being uninterested in using the character, or if they're saving his reveal later to show off a Cell Games-like appearance, complete with SS2 or maybe a chibified Ultimate state. It's the only time period in the series where he could still show off his strength. But I suspect he will make no appearance at all.

Ah man, I would love it if Cell Games Gohan popped up to save the day and was jaded as hell, like "This is apparently how everyone prefers me, anyway "

[PeteyVX]

Wait now I’m confused lol. So are non demon realm born namekins like piccolo and dende not demons?

It's being suggested that Nameks as a species are originally from the Demon Realm regardless of what planet they were born on. We're just theorizing on the subtitled translation of Namekians vs Nameks. If there is an intended distinction then it would seem that Namekians are Nameks originally from Planet Namek, so that's why I said the "Namekians are always Nameks but not all Nameks are Namekians" thing.

I think I've said some form of "Namek" more today than I have for all of 2024.

[PeteyVX]

I wonder why Karin wasn't turned into a kitten.

This is actually the only thing so far I haven't been able to explain away to myself. The wish was "turn the ones who fought Majin Buu and all their friends into children!" and the ones who are already children to be turned into babies. Not only is Karin a friend of people who fought Buu, you could say that he participated in the fight by providing senzu beans. So yeah, he should be young too, right?

Help me out with this one! The only thing I'm working at now is that perhaps he just happens to look the same as when he would be considered a first grader? Lol, I don't know. I'd love to know though.

[tonysoprano300]

I wonder what Chiaotzu looks like Given that he’s a grown man who looks like a kid.

[JulieYBM]

I wonder Chiaotzu looks like Given that he’s a grown man who looks like a kid.

There's a gay in there where Chaozu just doesn't look any different just waiting to happen.

[Noah]

The ED is a clear reference to GT's Hittori Janai. A lot of GT similarities at this point to be just a coincidence. I'd rather get new stories in a new time period, but I'm also not against improving on older stories by retelling them differently. GT's first arc was a mess, and this seems much more tightly written and focused so far.

Wow, I wouldn't have noticed if you hadn't mentioned it, there really are some similarities.

[TechExpert2021]

While checking the character web page of the official English DB Daima website, I noticed that the page uses the name "Kamesennin" instead of "Master Roshi".

Could this mean that Toei (or Crunchyroll) is going to retire the use of the "Master Roshi" name… or not? The official English versions of Dragon Ball games still use that name.

[mecha3000]

Something I really love about Daima so far is how it calls back to previous Dragon Ball moments to build out its lore. Like, having Goku go to Karin/Korin to get the Nyoibo/Power Pole because he remembers he used it to get to Kami. Or Shin's ship being damaged because of the fight between Goku and Vegeta vs. Boo. The last moment reminded me of Popo finding the ship for the Namek trip or when Trunks' time machine was covered in moss, like Shin's was. I love all of that stuff. It's a good way to remind fans that this is still very much a sequel to Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z (in some ways, a blend of both) while also catching new fans up to speed on these details, like with the Boo recap in Episode 1.

Also, I think the ending song has the line "You're not alone" or something similar? I think GT's first ending was named that. Like others have pointed out, Daima's ending song has a lot of similarities to GT's first ending. Now, I'm fully convinced Daima is Toriyama's take on GT. Just like he rebooted Broly, Daima is his reboot of GT in some ways.

And like others have pointed out, I think Daima will end up being a good way to bring new fans into Dragon Ball with a new version of a kid Goku going on an adventure. I really do think that in addition to being a sort of GT reboot, it's also an update of OG Dragon Ball for modern viewers. And when Super 2.0 or whatever comes back, it'll be a new "Z" in a way.

Lastly, with Daima, it really feels like Toriyama finally had a better grasp and re-understanding of Dragon Ball's lore after forgetting a lot of it after the '90s. I know he did that with Super, but Daima really feels like a true successor to Toriyama's manga and canon.

[Issei189]

I just realized, maybe Gohan and Videl aren't affected because they're probably busy giving life to Pan right now and that would somehow break the rules of white magic?

I don't believe so. Remember Gohan would be 17 and still in High School at this point in the story. This is 6 to 8 months after the Buu saga considering Trunks celebrated his 9th Birthday in the 1st ep and he was 8 during the Buu saga. Videl was pregnant with Pan during BOG which was 4 years after the Buu saga saga. Pan was said to be 3 years old in DBS Super Hero and she was said to be 4 years old in EOZ by the Tournament announcer. You already know that EOZ was 10 years after the Buu saga

[AliTheZombie13]

Was just something that crossed my mind, but yeah, I was way off.

[Vegard Aune]

While checking the character web page of the official English DB Daima website, I noticed that the page uses the name "Kamesennin" instead of "Master Roshi".

Could this mean that Toei (or Crunchyroll) is going to retire the use of the "Master Roshi" name… or not? The official English versions of Dragon Ball games still use that name.

The subtitles for this episode used both.
"Muten Roushi" was "Master Roshi", and then "Kamesennin" was left untranslated.

[FiReFTW]

I really like how Shin is Having A Plot and stuff. It feels like there's actual writing going on and like the story is trying to not just hop into a fight immediately, which I really like.

If Shin is from the Demon Realm himself, I'm curious if becoming a Kaioushin was something that he was uniquely qualified for or if he was trying to escape his evil family and fell into the role?

You seem overall more upbeat this week than last, it seems that the new series is slowly growing on you?

[Majin Buu]

Thoughts:

With Gohan's absence here and that conspicuous line from Goku in the last episode about how he's been "distant" and studying a lot, I'm wondering if they're implying that he's retired from fighting following (and maybe because of) his failure against Majin Buu and has fully committed to becoming a scholar now. I'm not ruling out that he shows up at some point, but just a thought based on how not in this he's been so far.

I'm really liking how atmospheric the music is.

Some of these characters feel like new versions of themselves as children, like Mr. Satan and Roshi (more so than the Pilaf Gang ever did as kids, and we already know what Goku was like as a kid so the vibe is more "returning to something familiar" with him). I like that, it makes them feel fresh.

So not all pointy-eared folk are from the Demon Realm, but most are; and Namekians aren't the only race that left the Demon Realm. Makes sense (In my mind, the Garlic family also originates from the Demon Realm). I was wondering if Piccolo was around when the Namekians left the Demon Realm, glad they clarified that was before his time. I love that he's coming along considering how prominent Namekian lore has been thus far.

I love that Goku's fighting being off-balance from this is the justification for brining Noyibo back into the fold. It makes sense for him to use it as a rebalancing aid, and that he would think to use it as such speaks to him being smart when it comes to fighting (Something that's been lost a bit in modern Dragon Ball). And I love that Roshi was using it as a clothes line. Sacred objects being treated not so sacredly is Dragon Ball irreverence in a nutshell. And I like how Karin was all like "No one uses it to get to the temple anymore anyway".

I like the gag with Bulma using Kibito as a delivery boy and Kibito meekly complaining about it. Yeah dude, you kinda are a delivery boy. That the show is able to to put two characters (very different characters at that) that have never interacted together and produce an amusing dynamic between them makes this feel like OG Dragon Ball where much of the comedy came from how these various quirky characters interacted with each other and other people. It shows that Dragon Ball (when it's being written well) has something to offer other than fighting.

The adventure has begun, I'm excited.

[LightBing]

Kaioshin needing a spaceship to reach this Universe implies he's born in another realm - very much like the Demon Real I presume -, then dispatched to whatever place he'll be working?

Hope they clarify.

[JulieYBM]

I really like how Shin is Having A Plot and stuff. It feels like there's actual writing going on and like the story is trying to not just hop into a fight immediately, which I really like.

If Shin is from the Demon Realm himself, I'm curious if becoming a Kaioushin was something that he was uniquely qualified for or if he was trying to escape his evil family and fell into the role?

You seem overall more upbeat this week than last, it seems that the new series is slowly growing on you?

I liked the first episode when Gokuu and friends weren't on screen because they weren't interesting. There wasn't really a plot going on there. Characters weren't experiencing thoughts and feelings. This week, there's something actually going on there a bit.

[Zinnia]

GT's first arc was a mess, and this seems much more tightly written and focused so far.[/list]

That's just like your opinion. GT's first arc is my favorite one because of being adventure driven after all the lengthy fight arcs of Z. I don't see it as being any mess at all.

[ZeroNeonix]

I like to think the one-wish for unknown first-timers was just Shenron screwing with them. I mean, when the Frieza Force use the Dragon Balls to wish Frieza back to life, he doesn't limit them to one wish. He does make up this rule about the dead being restored to the state they were in before death, though, so he brings Frieza back in pieces. I think Shenron has a sense of humor. lol

[Issei189]

SS Goku, SS Vegeta and Piccolo(Super Namekian) all look great in these shots from the opening

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