Producer confirms Daima was made for GT fans

[dbs fanboy]

Yeah, db's not something I'd go out of my way to introduce to the kids (no matter how much they independently of db enjoy monkeys and karate). They stumble into it on their own, cool, I won't stop them, but there's plenty of newer shows and franchises out there with way less baggage.

You're right I was rambling without thinking. Even the edited version is too risque nowadays. I look back at many of the 'gags' and cringe. I guess, I mean I'd show my children any other Dragonball media rather than Daima. I think Dragon Ball Z Kai would be a good starting point for a preteen-teenager. If they want to check out the original db on their own when they are a little older that would be on them. If it makes you guys feel any better, I don't have kids nor want them lol. (Sorry if I misconstrued your comment, I thought you were referring to just the og db) My Nephew got into Dandandan through his father, and I told my brother he's way too young to be watching that show.

Honestly just go the purist way, buy the manga volumes, let them have fun with it and then just casually tell them there's more bonus stuff that they could watch and let them decide whether they wanna keep going or not.

There's also games, my cousins mainly grew up with the franchise due to Budokai Tenkaichi for example and some modern Dragon Ball Games like FighterZ, are actually genuinely good.

I don't think all the baggage from new shows should make us forget why the franchise was lovable in the first place, and we'll I'm not the person that does not share a good time.

[Basaku]

There's a greater chance of better writing happening than the franchise being 'put down' lol

I’ve just lost all hope of Dragon Ball innovating. It’s clear that the franchise will never move forward.

Honestly nowadays I primarily enjoy Dragon Ball more through fan works or video games. Heck Sparking Zero did much more interesting stuff with it's what if Scenario.

Dragon ball actually has a lot of potential now with all the Lore expansions, more than when Z originally ended.

The problem is that Toriyama clearly didn't want to put more effort than a "casual continuation" and corporations don't get art and they are unoriginal af.

So I'll.just wait for the franchise to go to slumber after Daima (unless Toyotaro does something interesting or super 2 gets adapted) and hope that whenever it gets picked up again in the future actually DOES something fun with the franchise.


And if not.......well Legend a Dragon Ball Tale was hella fun, so I can trust the fandom in doing fun stuff

2uper anime won't change anything and neither will Toyo in the Black Freeza arc. At most he will do some good ground prep and developement for Goten and Trunks

Let's be honest here. There won't be anything fresh happening in this franchise until at least the entire Daima-Super midquel era concludes, we go past EOZ and reduce Goku and Vegeta to mentor roles.

I absolutely agree that the world building added a ton of potential and leaves the franchise now in a better state at EOZ then it was with Z in the 90s.

But nothing will change if Goku and Vegeta dominate and siphon every mintue of screentime with little to non actual developement. SuperHero is a living proof how much consequences it has when they actually TRY to quickly rectify their own mistakes of neglecting other characters for years and years

That and recycling old glory moments and villains, Freeza and SSJ4 included even tho I'm happy the latter happened. But thankfully, the list of stuff to recycle is getting short now

Still, I don't expect antyhing innivative to happen till post-EOZ

[Vegeta th3 4th]

The more I hear about Daima, the more I wish it never existed.

The concept of the demon realms always had limitless potential; it was just unfortunately handled by people who had very little vision. Although I agree that DB as a franchise should end already, that's not due to it lacking potential, but rather due to the limited capabilities of the current staff.

There won't be anything fresh happening in this franchise until at least the entire Daima-Super midquel era concludes, we go past EOZ and reduce Goku and Vegeta to mentor roles.

The issue was never the time placement of these stories (although it didn't help), it was the creatives behind them. Whether or not the franchise goes past the end of Z won't change how creatively bankrupt the writers and producers of this franchise are. We'll end up with mostly the same issues we have now.

Personally I'd bring in a new team of writers and producers and discard everything we've gotten in this revival era. I'd have them write/produce a series set after the defeat of the shadow dragons in the Goku Jr. timeline. The current cast of characters have been milked to hell and back, and I honestly don't think there's anything of relevance that can be done with them at this point. Skip forward 100 years after GT and start with a fresh cast that can actually be developed properly.

[BernardoCairo]

The current cast of characters have been milked to hell and back, and I honestly don't think there's anything of relevance that can be done with them at this point. Skip forward 100 years after GT and start with a fresh cast that can actually be developed properly.

Creating a sequel to GT in particular doesn't make much sense in my opinion, as it's not a popular series and ended a long time ago. I think there's still a lot that can be done with the current cast. Stories like Battle of Gods and some elements of Super (particularly in the manga) show that. It all depends on who will be in charge of the franchise' future and what will be valued.
For me, Dragon Ball ended in 1995. Everything that came after that was an extra. None of this tarnishes the legacy of the original manga. But it would be nice to see this franchise making more and more people happy.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Creating a sequel to GT in particular doesn't make much sense in my opinion, as it's not a popular series and ended a long time ago.

We're in the middle of watching a series that pays tribute to GT, so it's clearly popular enough to justify revisiting in some capacity.

For me, Dragon Ball ended in 1995. Everything that came after that was an extra. None of this tarnishes the legacy of the original manga.

I view the original run from 1984-1997 (including GT) as one complete product. Everything after starting in 2008 I view as another product all together. It never made sense to me to view the two eras as one product/story/series.

[BernardoCairo]

We're in the middle of watching a series that pays tribute to GT, so it's clearly popular enough to justify revisiting in some capacity.

It's good for a reference. But an entire sequel with only GT characters? I don't think so. Many people haven't even watched the series and it ended almost 30 years ago.

I view the original run from 1984-1997 (including GT) as one complete product.

I see GT as its own side story. Good for what it was, but different from the rest of the series in tone and atmosphere. For me, the main story will always be Toriyama's original manga, which is his take on the series and has a beginning, middle, and end. That's Dragon Ball.
The current material is a sequel, as Toriyama himself puts it. It is not an integral part of that original story. However, for some reason, I consider Battle of Gods (specifically) to be much closer to the original story than what came after (in DNA and excitement).

[Vegeta th3 4th]

An entire sequel with only GT characters? I don't think so. Many people haven't even watched the series and it ended almost 30 years ago.

It would be set 100 years in the future, so technically it would have an almost all new cast.

For me, the main story will always be Toriyama's original manga, which is his take on the series and has a beginning, middle, and end. That's Dragon Ball.

As far as the very core of DB is concerned, I agree with this. When it comes to the original anime's run though, I always considered GT and the movies to be part of it, even if they didn't always line up 100%.

I consider Battle of Gods (specifically) to be much closer to the original story than what came after (in DNA and excitement).

That movie is by far the best thing to come out of this revival, and the only story to feel like it could've been part of the original manga had it continued for a bit longer. I also view it as a proper conclusion of sorts to Toriyama's original story, even though today it's the start of a 10+ year long revival. My opinion of modern DB would be very different today if it followed the blueprint set by that movie, which was to put the story and characters first. Every main character in that movie went through an arc, it wasn't just mindless fighting. It was the only story in this revival that felt like it had something meaningful to say about the world and cast of DB.

Side note: we have the same number of posts

[Analytical Delusion]

I’ve just lost all hope of Dragon Ball innovating. It’s clear that the franchise will never move forward.

Honestly nowadays I primarily enjoy Dragon Ball more through fan works or video games. Heck Sparking Zero did much more interesting stuff with it's what if Scenario.

Dragon ball actually has a lot of potential now with all the Lore expansions, more than when Z originally ended.

The problem is that Toriyama clearly didn't want to put more effort than a "casual continuation" and corporations don't get art and they are unoriginal af.

So I'll.just wait for the franchise to go to slumber after Daima (unless Toyotaro does something interesting or super 2 gets adapted) and hope that whenever it gets picked up again in the future actually DOES something fun with the franchise.


And if not.......well Legend a Dragon Ball Tale was hella fun, so I can trust the fandom in doing fun stuff

2uper anime won't change anything and neither will Toyo in the Black Freeza arc. At most he will do some good ground prep and developement for Goten and Trunks

Let's be honest here. There won't be anything fresh happening in this franchise until at least the entire Daima-Super midquel era concludes, we go past EOZ and reduce Goku and Vegeta to mentor roles.

I absolutely agree that the world building added a ton of potential and leaves the franchise now in a better state at EOZ then it was with Z in the 90s.

But nothing will change if Goku and Vegeta dominate and siphon every mintue of screentime with little to non actual developement. SuperHero is a living proof how much consequences it has when they actually TRY to quickly rectify their own mistakes of neglecting other characters for years and years

That and recycling old glory moments and villains, Freeza and SSJ4 included even tho I'm happy the latter happened. But thankfully, the list of stuff to recycle is getting short now

Still, I don't expect antyhing innivative to happen till post-EOZ

My understanding is Goku and Vegeta are still the most popular characters by far - what financial incentive do Toyotaro/Toei have to take a risk? That said, while I'm not a fan of Goten and Present Trunks, I think Gohan and Future Trunks had good appearances and decent development in Super. Even Majin Buu and Android 17 played big parts.

Interestingly, the character with the most development has been Freeza, I would say.

[BernardoCairo]

When it comes to the original anime's run though, I always considered GT and the movies to be part of it, even if they didn't always line up 100%.

Oh yeah. If you're talking about Toei's Dragon Ball, then I agree. But in this case, the run started in 1986 and ended in 1997 (11 years, just like the manga).
The creative process behind the movies, OVAs and GT (in particular) still seems quite different to me when compared to OG and Z (adaptation vs creation). But I agree that it all fits together as a final product.

That movie is by far the best thing to come out of this revival, and the only story to feel like it could've been part of the original manga had it continued for a bit longer. I also view it as a proper conclusion of sorts to Toriyama's original story, even though today it's the start of a 10+ year long revival.

I agree. It's interesting how the Battle of the Gods feels like a celebration, a closure, even though it's the starting point for a new beginning. It's clear to me that they made the film because they wanted to, without planning a thousand sequels for it, but leaving elements open for possible future projects (classic Toriyama).
Despite being the best modern story by far, there are still elements in the following arcs that I really like (particularly the films and the Moro saga). And that's why I believe there's still a future for this franchise if the right people are in charge.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

It's interesting how the Battle of the Gods feels like a celebration, a closure, even though it's the starting point for a new beginning. It's clear to me that they made the film because they wanted to, without planning a thousand sequels for it, but leaving elements open for possible future projects (classic Toriyama).

I was following the production closely through interviews and whatnot, and it was clear that no one involved thought it would result in anything more, so they basically put all they had into it as if it would be the final animated project. They likely had this mindset as a result of Kai under performing and Evolution's outright flop at the box office. That worked in its favor, as you could tell they held nothing back, resulting in my opinion in one of the best products to come out of this franchise. As far as I'm concerned, it's everything I wanted in a sequel to the Buu arc, everything GT didn't deliver on, and everything Super and Daima continue to not provide.