The FUNimation Dub's "Story" Changes

[Jerseymilk]

Hey everyone, notice how when Ultimate DBZ was proven wrong by Mike(which by the way he has yet to acknowledge), he turns the argument into other excuses like "lip flap matching" and suddenly that the changes were that bad? Clear sign of someone drowning in a debate fast. I say we all just ignore him.

[desirecampbell]

Hey everyone, notice how when Ultimate DBZ was proven wrong by Mike(which by the way he has yet to acknowledge), he turns the argument into other excuses like "lip flap matching" and suddenly that the changes were that bad? Clear sign of someone drowning in a debate fast. I say we all just ignore him.

And his spelling took a nose dive too, and he's starting to lash out at people.\

Also, he hates me now *pout*

[Jerseymilk]

Hey everyone, notice how when Ultimate DBZ was proven wrong by Mike(which by the way he has yet to acknowledge), he turns the argument into other excuses like "lip flap matching" and suddenly that the changes were that bad? Clear sign of someone drowning in a debate fast. I say we all just ignore him.

And his spelling took a nose dive too, and he's starting to lash out at people.\

Also, he hates me now *pout*

*gives Desire a cookie shaped like SSJ Goku to cheer him up*

[desirecampbell]

*gives Desire a cookie shaped like SSJ Goku to cheer him up*

Yum! All better!

*is happy*

[Vekurotto]

Let’s look at one of the most significant changes; the score. .... (And no, I don’t buy the “Toei charged us too much money for the score” excuse for a millisecond. There are far too many holes in that story for me to recount here.).

Yeah you're right. It was stated that Funi changed the music on their own on the old DBZOA when Chris interviewed many Funimation employees like Gen and Schemmel and they both said in each interview that Funimation could have used the original BGM in their dub since, when you order an anime for dubbing you get everything that was in the original, but then they said many stupid things about why they didn't use the music like,

"The original BGM is dated", "It wouldn't fit the show the way we want it", "Kids would be turned off to the way the music plays and they'd much prefer blaring guitars and more 'hip' music" "bullshit excuse here" etc....

The fact is, Funimation could have used the music, they didn't, and now they look really fucking stupid for using the original BGM in their dub on the season sets now when they could have just used it almost a decade ago.

[Raki]

Let’s look at one of the most significant changes; the score. .... (And no, I don’t buy the “Toei charged us too much money for the score” excuse for a millisecond. There are far too many holes in that story for me to recount here.).

Yeah you're right. It was stated that Funi changed the music on their own on the old DBZOA when Chris interviewed many Funimation employees like Gen and Schemmel and they both said in each interview that Funimation could have used the original BGM in their dub since, when you order an anime for dubbing you get everything that was in the original, but then they said many stupid things about why they didn't use the music like,

"The original BGM is dated", "It wouldn't fit the show the way we want it", "Kids would be turned off to the way the music plays and they'd much prefer blaring guitars and more 'hip' music" "bullshit excuse here" etc....

The fact is, Funimation could have used the music, they didn't, and now they look really fucking stupid for using the original BGM in their dub on the season sets now when they could have just used it almost a decade ago.

That line you quoted is pure bullshit to the highest order. I fucking LOVED the original music in Dragonball. As a matter of fact, i prefer the original music in all anime that i view. The fact they think all kids are ignorant and they know what's best is more proof that Funimation should have never gotten the show. I wish that ADV or Pioneer would have gotten the full rights to the show. Then maybe we would have a decent dub of the show.

Another story change i hate is during the Tenshinhan/Nappa fight. Tenshinhan had just done his "Tri-Beam" with one hand, and it barely did anything to Nappa. The dub has Vegeta saying "It would have worked it Nappa hadn't seen it". The Original version has Vegeta saying "What a fool. He wasted his energy for nothing". Our Funi dub gives the illusion that Tenshinhan could have defeated Nappa, when in reality he like the others didn't stand a chance.

[Vekurotto]

And if anybody thinks I'm lying or being an ignorant fanboy, here are the quotes from people at Funi about the the original music in general,

Gen Fukunaga, on why DBZ's music was replaced:
The replacing of the music, was a FUNimation decision. With our own soundtrack, we could charge royalties for every second it's heard.

Sean Schemmel, on the Japanese theme song "Head-Cha-La":
"Head-Cha-La," for another example and I've told you this Jon, even though it's very catchy, it's absolutely ridiculous for the American culture. (thumbs down Schemmel. Shakes angry fist)

Sonny Strait, North American VA for Krillin, on FUNimation's new music score:
I think the main thing about them not using the original music, and I could be wrong, is because of the dated factor of it...But uh, there's definitely an appeal to it, but I don't think that it's as wide a range of appeal as what they want. I mean, people like you, and others that are die-hard anime fans are definitely gonna want as much of the original as possible, but I think the general population is more entertained by screaming guitars and such.

Cindy Fukunaga, on the new music (1996):
No, we composed a new theme. It was done in Los Angeles. It's a very distinctive sound, and I'm told it's of the sort that's very popular among American children right now.

Composer Bruce Faulconer, on the music:
They wanted music that would better communicate to a Western audience the drama of this saga.


Gen Fukunaga, on why DB's music was kept and on what plans would be for GT's music:
It was a combination of factors including fan input, schedule and rights issues. The main driving factor is to make a show which the most number of people will enjoy. As for GT, the music decision is unknown.

This ones funny,

Bruce Faulconer, on what music best represents each character: Goku is like this rock guy. Trunks is from the future so he's techno. Cell starts off being this little thing almost like a slug and he grows, absorbs people and gets stronger - his music started out imperfect like grunge sounds and later he became perfect and his music got cleaner.

compared to

Akira Toriyama, on what songs he thinks would best fit the image of Goku: Hmmm..., I'm not sure. In any case, I think the song would probably be bright, with a good tempo; the tempo would be upbeat, yet have a carefree air to it.

Taken from DBZOA's funisez archive

There's more quotes at their website though you can't explore it any, DBZOA's been down for a while. But these quotes piss me off with what we could've had if Funi did not decide to be retarded with DBZ. Here's the link to the page I got it from. They've got more stuff there too, like their script choices, voices, what Schemmel thinks of Nozawa, and more.

http://www.animecauldron.com/dbzuncenso ... nisez.html

[Chuquita]

The interview with Ms. Nozawa that's mentioned in that link, it wouldn't happen to be available elsewhere, would it? I clicked the link on that 2nd page and it took me to an error message instead.

[Raki]

And if anybody thinks I'm lying or being an ignorant fanboy, here are the quotes from people at Funi about the the original music in general,

This ones funny,

Bruce Faulconer, on what music best represents each character: Goku is like this rock guy. Trunks is from the future so he's techno. Cell starts off being this little thing almost like a slug and he grows, absorbs people and gets stronger - his music started out imperfect like grunge sounds and later he became perfect and his music got cleaner.


http://www.animecauldron.com/dbzuncenso ... nisez.html

Bruce is just happy to get a paycheck. What he said is complete bullshit. Goku, a rock guy? He must be on rocks(Mr Bruce).

[Vekurotto]

The interview with Ms. Nozawa that's mentioned in that link, it wouldn't happen to be available elsewhere, would it? I clicked the link on that 2nd page and it took me to an error message instead.

http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/mninterview.html

Here's the rest.

[Chuquita]

The interview with Ms. Nozawa that's mentioned in that link, it wouldn't happen to be available elsewhere, would it? I clicked the link on that 2nd page and it took me to an error message instead.

http://www.thegrandline.com/dbzinfo/mninterview.html

Here's the rest.

Thank you so much!

[Onikage725]

Gen Fukunaga, on why DBZ's music was replaced:
The replacing of the music, was a FUNimation decision. With our own soundtrack, we could charge royalties for every second it's heard.

Everything else they said was bullshit. Pure, total bullshit.
All that crap about demographics = fucked music? No. Hell, GT proves this, since they had previously gone to original BGM and adapted main themes for DB. I havent spoken to ANYONE (dubbie, subbie, casual fan) who thinks a sampling of the US GT score is in any way appealing.

For fucks sake, even Sailor Moon had a half-assed Moonlight Densetsu adaptation, and Ronin Warriors had Stardust Eyes instrumental all over the place.

So...yea... the excuse along the lines of "we can charge more money this way" is the only one that has any hint of truth to it.

[Super Sonic]

With Sailor Moon, though, remember, action cartoons aimed at girls are marketed differently than action cartoons aimed at boys. That includes theme songs. And sorry to say, but "Cha-La" isn't too actiony. For example, compare the theme of Street Sharks to the theme of Jewel Riders.

[B-kun]

For fucks sake, even Sailor Moon had a half-assed Moonlight Densetsu adaptation

And we eventually got complete Japanese music (with half-ass dubbing over the vocal songs, except for the ep where Yuuichirou left) and I certainly didn't see many people complaining about that.

[Super Sonic]

Some of the original songs they did weren't too bad. I love "Power of Love" and "Oh Starry Night".

[Ultimate DBZ]

Hey everyone, notice how when Ultimate DBZ was proven wrong by Mike(which by the way he has yet to acknowledge), he turns the argument into other excuses like "lip flap matching" and suddenly that the changes were that bad? Clear sign of someone drowning in a debate fast. I say we all just ignore him.

Well, I just don't really mind the differences with the English, and don't find it very bad after 2000. But that's just my oppinion. I understand if you prefer the Japanese. Its a good thing they have the japanese version on all the DVDs if fans don't want the english. Afterall, like they say, the original is alwayes the best!

[jjgp1112]

Meh, I always prefered the dub music (not Peter Cunt's score for the Saiyan and Namek saga, Falcouner's music) over the original. I agree with Schemmel about Head-Cha-La: while it sounds catchy, it wouldn't appeal to kids at al. What you guys fail to realize is that Funi was aiming for kids. It's like advertising smoking: hook 'em young and hook 'em good. I first started watching Dragon Ball when I was 9 years old, and most of the kids I know watched it too. I'd say that only one of them knew or cared to know that it was originally Japanese - me included. While Funi shouldn't have made the dialogue changes, their target audience could care less about whether or not the music is what was originally there or if the dialogue is accurate.

[Jerseymilk]

Some of the original songs they did weren't too bad. I love "Power of Love" and "Oh Starry Night".

"Oh Starry Night" is basically just a rehash of Canada's national anthem. Seriously, the government should sue the composer for plagiarism. XP Don't believe me? Listen for the song's chorus then listen to our national anthem.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pFzONoe1eEg&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FTOm7gofXnQ&feature=related

It's downright spooky. >>

[Onikage725]

With Sailor Moon, though, remember, action cartoons aimed at girls are marketed differently than action cartoons aimed at boys. That includes theme songs. And sorry to say, but "Cha-La" isn't too actiony. For example, compare the theme of Street Sharks to the theme of Jewel Riders.

Well yeah, but thats why I mentioned RW as well. Aimed at young boys, and aside from themes had the original music. Goddamn, doesnt Pokemon use original music, aside from themes? Cuz I'm pretty sure that series beat DBZ's relaunch out (fairly certain it started just before my sophomore year of HS, so fall of '98 ).

Man, a time when FUNi was anime evil and 4kids our saving grace. They've really come full circle, eh?

[jjgp1112]

Dammit, I made a good point but you guys are more interested in discussing Sailor Moon on a Dragon Ball forum!