Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by dbboxkaifan » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:58 pm

Son Goku
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Vs.

Wyzen's Final Form
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I'm more inclined Wyzen would end up being the winner (he's effing-huge and effing-strong).
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Perfect » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:00 pm

If Vegeta could turn the Earth's surface into molten rock by the Saiyan saga, then by the Freeza or even Cell saga all they'd have to do is let loose on that guy. Granted I know nothing about him, I see a finishing move destroying him in one hit.
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Pantalones » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:45 pm

About Wyzen--I'm not familiar with the character at all, but this (http://asuraswrath.wikia.com/wiki/Wyzen) is what I found upon Googling him:
He confronted Asura after his return and Wyzen was on a higher level for the most of the fight. But after Asura gained the upper hand, Wyzen transformed into Vajra Wyzen, his giant form. While in his giant form, Wyzen proved to be a formidable foe. He was able to punch Asura deep into the ground. In this form, Wyzen is also able to float in the air. He continues to fight against Asura in this form, but after a huge clash between both of them, Asura shot Wyzen up into the sky into the atmosphere. There Wyzen stated that Asura could never beat a god and so he used his Mantra and transformed into his most powerful form, Gongen Wyzen. In his Gongen form, Wyzen was as huge as the Earth itself. Wyzen used his finger to destroy Asura, but the latter used all his strength to pierce Wyzen's fingertip and after many hits, Asura destroyed the fingertip which resulted in a massive collapse of Wyzen's body structure. Wyzen looked surprised and shocked as there was not much time before his end. Wyzen was one of the first of the Seven Deities to be defeated/destroyed by Asura.
So basically... in his second form he's at least on a Dragonball-ish level (being able to punch people into the ground and all), and in his final form he's stronger and really freakin' huge. But if you can destroy his fingertip his entire body collapses in a chain reaction and you win? Doesn't sound very durable to me. Also, he's apparently one of the first of his group to be defeated, which doesn't say great things about his level of power/skill/both.

I'm guessing that Goku at any point during or after his fight with Freeza would definitely win (possibly without even using Super Saiyan), though I'm not 100% sure about earlier than that.

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In the first Pokemon movie Mewtwo was capable of destroying the world with a Psychic storm
...what? Mewtwo generated a storm using his powers. There was no world-destroying, not even city-destroying... just an ordinary rough-water-and-lightning storm that happened to have been triggered by psychokinesis. Heck, it didn't even stop a bunch of Pokémon trainers from getting to the island, so it wasn't really even all that special by completely-mundane storm standards.

What he wanted to do in the movie was wipe out humans and trainer-owned Pokémon, not destroy the world, and it seemed like even that wasn't going to be easy for him (why bother with luring trainers to your island and making a clone-Pokémon army to prove your superiority if you can easily wipe everyone out on your own?)

It's been shown several times that Freeza-level characters (and above) can cause this amount of environmental weirdness just by powering up, by the way. Mewtwo had to actually do something to generate a storm, and even then it was pretty much restricted to the ocean around that one island. As far as actual destructive power, the best Mewtwo ever showed (even in the movie) was blowing up a single building.

Mewtwo and Freeza are on entirely different levels.
We need to factor the strength of telepathy in here; all Mewtwo would need to do would get a lock on Freeza (Which I have decent confidence to say he could, even with Freeza's speed) and the game is up. Freeza never demonstrates anything beyond the "Throw things with your mind" tricks either.
Umm... the whole "telepathy = instant win by mind-rape" thing is an ability that Mewtwo doesn't actually have. His psychic powers are pretty much entirely focused on throwing things around and generating energy blasts. Mewtwo has only been shown to use telepathy to communicate--he can't just "lock on" to Freeza's mind and screw him up somehow through telepathy. At best he might be able to briefly distract Freeza with the "where the heck is that voice in my head coming from?" factor.

Even if you count stuff from the movie, he was only able to mind-control a single ordinary human. He never even tries to do anything like that when he's in a combat situation; just a lot of telekinesis and energy blasts. If he had the power to just instantly lock onto someone's mind and mess them up in whatever way he wanted to win fights instantly, why didn't he ever actually do it?
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by mysticboy » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:48 pm

dbboxkaifan wrote:Son Goku
Vs.
Wyzen's Final Form
Goku should win that.

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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by BlazingFiddlesticks » Sun Jan 15, 2012 11:22 pm

Are we actually arguing whether or not the Z fighters could invisible-ki-shield a nuclear weapon? Dedicated barrier, maybe, if you want to go out on a limb, but the thing that keeps a casual ki blast from ripping them in half? Really?
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Saiga wrote:And Spider-man losing to Kid Goku? His strength isn't always consistent but under Stan Lee (his creator) he could lift 10 tonnes. That's stronger than Kid Goku, isn't it?
Spidey's a glass cannon compared to Goku.
A glass cannon who can come back from Hulk punches if you give him a three-second breather, at least in some later continuities. Though the continuity thing makes the comparison difficult.
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So basically... in his second form he's at least on a Dragonball-ish level (being able to punch people into the ground and all), and in his final form he's stronger and really freakin' huge. But if you can destroy his fingertip his entire body collapses in a chain reaction and you win? Doesn't sound very durable to me. Also, he's apparently one of the first of his group to be defeated, which doesn't say great things about his level of power/skill/both.
The finger thing sounds a bit too much like gameplay convenience, much like how Sonic can spin-dash magical beings to death because that's the only way Sonic can hurt things.
Pantalones wrote:Umm... the whole "telepathy = instant win by mind-rape" thing is an ability that Mewtwo doesn't actually have. His psychic powers are pretty much entirely focused on throwing things around and generating energy blasts. Mewtwo has only been shown to use telepathy to communicate--he can't just "lock on" to Freeza's mind and screw him up somehow through telepathy. At best he might be able to briefly distract Freeza with the "where the heck is that voice in my head coming from?" factor.

Even if you count stuff from the movie, he was only able to mind-control a single ordinary human. He never even tries to do anything like that when he's in a combat situation; just a lot of telekinesis and energy blasts. If he had the power to just instantly lock onto someone's mind and mess them up in whatever way he wanted to win fights instantly, why didn't he ever actually do it?
The only opponent he would actually need to employ that kind of power on is Mew, who is also the only one capable of negating such an attack, being Mewtwo's peer. But I'd call film rating more than anything else. Burden of proof is on me, though, and I have nothing.
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by goku the krump dancer » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:35 am

dbboxkaifan wrote:Son Goku
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Vs.

Wyzen's Final Form
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I'm more inclined Wyzen would end up being the winner (he's effing-huge and effing-strong).
Dude the game isnt even out yet and we dont really know anything about Wyzen besides the fact that hes fucking gigantic. I played the demo and Asura basically beat him with one good punch.
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Hitiro » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:45 pm

Son Goku(Pre-DBZ)
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Hei (Without the meteor fragment)
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Son Goku(DBZ)
Vs.
Hei (With the meteor fragment)

Background on Hei(For those who don't know about him):
Hei is a character from the anime Darker than Black, the anime is focused around beings known as contractors. Contractors are, generally, humans who have lost most of their emotion and hide the rest with logic and reasoning. Each Contractor has their own unique ability which they can use how they please but they must pay a price for using that ability, the price can range from having to smoke a cigarette to offering blood but the price is also unique to each individual. Hei achieved his contractor abilities abnormally and due to this he has no price on the use of his ability. Hei is a highly trained assassin who specializes in hand to hand combat but preferably likes to use his dagger, which is attached to his belt by an extendable and conductive roll of wire, to stab his opponents and send electricity into them. As with what I said just now I'm sure you can guess his ability is to produce electricity however that isn't what the power really is, his real ability is to manipulate matter at a sub-atomic level which is how he can make electrical charges come from his body. Unfortunately he doesn't know the true extent of his power until later in the series and he can't access it without the use of a special meteor fragment.

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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jan 17, 2012 1:37 pm

Who's the most funny character of all:

Dragon Ball Z | Dragon Ball Kai
- Son Goku
- Nappa
- Majin Boo
- Cell
- Freeza

Vs.

Non-Dragon Ball
- SpongeBob
- Patrick
- Squidward
- Little Nicky (Adam Sandler as Little Nicky)
- Lloyd Christmas (Dumb & Dumber)
- Harry Dunne (Dumb & Dumber)
- Xbox LIVE (well, this one is kind of unfair because it's a ton of people at once)

Dragon Ball ZK: Majin Boo > Cell > Nappa > Freeza > Son Goku
Non-DB: Lloyd Christmas > SpongeBob > Patrick > Harry Dunne > Little Nicky

My winner overall is Xbox LIVE. Mocking the kids, teens, adults on XBL for them sucks (their online gaming experience's ruined), but for whoever's doing it for the fun, it's hilarious. xD

If I had my PS3 now I'd probably do too, but they barely ever talk online. :|
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Pantalones » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:06 pm

You're having a "who's funniest" battle and you have Cell and Freeza (best known for being creepy mass-murderers and world-destroyers) listed? Why not characters that are actually known for doing silly things, like Mr. Satan, Roshi, Arale, etc...?

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Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:13 pm

Pantalones wrote:You're having a "who's funniest" battle and you have Cell and Freeza (best known for being creepy mass-murderers and world-destroyers) listed? Why not characters that are actually known for doing silly things, like Mr. Satan, Roshi, Arale, etc...?
Check the English Kai, Cell's sarcasm is at its best and Freeza's not too far away neither.

Mr. Satan doesn't really have too many comedic moments, that short-film of his sure was funny, though.
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:38 pm

goku the krump dancer wrote:Dude the game isnt even out yet and we dont really know anything about Wyzen besides the fact that hes fucking gigantic. I played the demo and Asura basically beat him with one good punch.
Wyzen's probably one of the weakest gods of the game as it seems, but still he's freaking god damn huge and impressive.

I hope there's more to the gameplay than what I experienced, I want to punch, kick, do special techniques and whatnot, plus Asura looks pretty cool to do all that and much more.
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Silver Sinspawn » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:24 pm

Bora from Dragon Ball vs Fred "The Blob" Dukes from X-Men (Preferably his X-Men Evolution incarnation)
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Post by UnbiasedDBZfan » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:19 pm

How about
Bill Goldberg Pre Starrcade 1998 vs Kid Goku start of series
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Perfect » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:45 pm

Goku took a bullet to the head and lifted a car with minimal effort, Goku all the way.
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UnbiasedDBZfan wrote:How about
Bill Goldberg Pre Starrcade 1998 vs Kid Goku start of series
Goldberg murders him.

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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:52 pm

Kid Goku took a bullet to the head which something that no normal human can do. I think Mr. Satan would work better going from what I know?
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Perfect » Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:58 pm

Mr. Satan - serious martial artist
Goldberg - entertainer

Mr. Satan wins.
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by mysticboy » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:59 pm

Jackhammer >>>>>> Kamehameha
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Perfect » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:09 pm

I have no idea if you're trolling or just being incredibly biased, but those moves don't even compare ^.-;;
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Re: Dragonball Vs. Non Dragonball

Post by Silkman3003 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:22 pm

I got one.

Kurama (Yu Yu Hakusho)vs Piccolo
Scenario 1: End of Chapter Black Kurama vs King Piccolo(Prime)

Scenario 2: End of Series Kurama vs 23'rd Budokai Piccolo

Both are in character. Kurama can go yoko at any time.Anime feats allowed.

(Kurama is the one in the left, obviously)
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