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apex_pretador wrote:You should tag me when replying to me. It was in DB Super when vegeta, who was going to piccolo to request him to join his team, told trunks he is too weak to join withiut fusion.Bullza wrote:When was that?Piccolo was stated to be far above trunks by vegeta
Vegeta has not seen Piccolo since BoG.
AThanks for uploading the images and piccolo was dead in RoF.Nejishiki wrote:apex_pretador wrote:You should tag me when replying to me. It was in DB Super when vegeta, who was going to piccolo to request him to join his team, told trunks he is too weak to join withiut fusion.Bullza wrote:
When was that?
Vegeta has not seen Piccolo since BoG.By the way, didn't Vegeta see Piccolo in Resurrection F? They didn't talk but he was aware of his presence.Spoiler:
Nice list, mate. I like your numbers, but a question... You have Roshi at 100 in the end of the series, would you think he trained to achieve 139 in early Z?TheUltimateNinja wrote:New power level list.
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I have him at that level at the 22nd TB, he would have gotten stronger since then and achieved 139 by Z.Noah wrote:Nice list, mate. I like your numbers, but a question... You have Roshi at 100 in the end of the series, would you think he trained to achieve 138 in early Z?TheUltimateNinja wrote:New power level list.
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Unless you think Piccolo can make SS Gohan exert serious effort and give him serious issues trying to block his blows, then I'd say yes, it would be right.Bullza wrote:Would it be right to say Pre RoSaT Super Saiyan Goten and Trunks are above Piccolo?
I like your list and agree with most of the placements of the characters. However, there is just something inherently unappealing (at least to me) about a battle power list which doesn't even follow the official battle powers.TheUltimateNinja wrote:New power level list.
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Jinzoningen MULE wrote:You're in the DB community, it's always a power level thread to someone.
TheUltimateNinja wrote:New power level list.
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Ah damn, I forgot to change his power level to below Goku. In my first version of the list Goku was 80 by now and Tao Pai Pai was around 110, but that inflated the power levels too much, so I reduced all the power levels proportionately but I forgot about him.apex_pretador wrote: Good list.
A few remarks:Other than that, I can't nitpick anything.
- Major metallitron is too high. He shouldn't be that high. Most certainly not equal to Tao pai pai which is plain wrong.
- Chiaotzu should e above king chappa. Goku needed to power up twice against krillin before he beat him, and chiaotzu was giving him trouble.
He was pushing several ton rocks and lifting up 1 ton+ objects overhead and throwing them fairly easily, these feats seem too good to me for a power level of only 2x the average human.DBZ Macky wrote:I like your list and agree with most of the placements of the characters. However, there is just something inherently unappealing (at least to me) about a battle power list which doesn't even follow the official battle powers.TheUltimateNinja wrote:New power level list.
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BoDB Goku should be 10 not 20. Though if you have a valid reason for him being at 20, I'd love to hear it
You do realize that power levels are not even remotely linear? Otherwise Piccolo at 408 wouldn't be able to blow up the moon. That's a FAR bigger stretch (human x 82 = zettatons worth of TNT) than just going from normal human to Captain America with a x2 jump.He was pushing several ton rocks and lifting up 1 ton+ objects overhead and throwing them fairly easily, these feats seem too good to me for a power level of only 2x the average human.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
We don't know exactly how ki blasts destroy things. Also, we've never seen a normal human with expert ki control, for all we know they could be continent busters.RandomGuy96 wrote:You do realize that power levels are not even remotely linear? Otherwise Piccolo at 408 wouldn't be able to blow up the moon. That's a FAR bigger stretch (human x 82 = zettatons worth of TNT) than just going from normal human to Captain America with a x2 jump.He was pushing several ton rocks and lifting up 1 ton+ objects overhead and throwing them fairly easily, these feats seem too good to me for a power level of only 2x the average human.
Jinzoningen MULE wrote:You're in the DB community, it's always a power level thread to someone.
It's worth noting that Ki wasn't the deciding factor in fights back during the early parts of Dragon Ball. Goku may have twice the amount of Ki as a regular Joe, but due to his Saiyan anatomy, he's much, MUCH stronger and tougher that that would normally allow. Same reason why he was able to push that boulder farther than the Muten Roshi. Muten Roshi is a centuries old Sennin, so his Ki based abilities far surpass Goku's, but he's also a (relatively) frail old man, so Goku's superior muscle strength lets him win the contest of "who can move that ginormous rock further?".TheUltimateNinja wrote:He was pushing several ton rocks and lifting up 1 ton+ objects overhead and throwing them fairly easily, these feats seem too good to me for a power level of only 2x the average human.
Yet kid Trunks struggled under 150Gs until he went Super Saiyan. Does that mean he was only moderately stronger than the Goku that fought Ginyu?TheUltimateNinja wrote:And there is some degree of linearity when it comes to physical strength. For example,Goku was at 8,000 when he was able to handle 10x gravity without any issues, and then he got to 90,000 when he could handle 100x gravity without any problems.
Trunks is a kid and isn't used to high gravity. And the Buu Arc give the characters some pretty shit strength feats like Goku being unable to lift 40 tons and Vegeta needing SSJ in 150x even though he could already handle that in base 2 arcs ago.DanielSSJ wrote:Yet kid Trunks struggled under 150Gs until he went Super Saiyan. Does that mean he was only moderately stronger than the Goku that fought Ginyu?TheUltimateNinja wrote:And there is some degree of linearity when it comes to physical strength. For example,Goku was at 8,000 when he was able to handle 10x gravity without any issues, and then he got to 90,000 when he could handle 100x gravity without any problems.
Piccolo Daimao at two hundred and something could barely destroy a city with all his energy. His son, at 408, can casually destroy the moon- a difference of literally billions of times.TheUltimateNinja wrote:We don't know exactly how ki blasts destroy things. Also, we've never seen a normal human with expert ki control, for all we know they could be continent busters.RandomGuy96 wrote:You do realize that power levels are not even remotely linear? Otherwise Piccolo at 408 wouldn't be able to blow up the moon. That's a FAR bigger stretch (human x 82 = zettatons worth of TNT) than just going from normal human to Captain America with a x2 jump.He was pushing several ton rocks and lifting up 1 ton+ objects overhead and throwing them fairly easily, these feats seem too good to me for a power level of only 2x the average human.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Vegeta gravity-training with Super Saiyan doesn't particularly mean anything, much less neccesity. The only relevant comment towards it related to Trunks, not his father.DB Super Exciting Guide: Story wrote:It’s worth pointing out that it basically says the reason Goku’s weight training in Heaven was so effective was that he used Bukujutsu to float in midair as he used the weights, which made it much harder. Goku’s never shown using Bukujutsu during any of his gravity training on Kaio’s or in the spaceship (at least not in the manga, that I can remember). It also says his image training/meditation was a means to raise his maximum ki, as muscle training has a limit. Toriyama mentioned there being limits to how much training your muscles could do and needing ki to overcome that limit in the book's interview.
Vegeta finds it necessary to claim "150 G's" is too much for Trunks in the original story. I suppose it could be higher but I doubt hidden meanings existed in the conversation.dragonball0900 wrote:Well, those are filler scenes. In the manga it was never shown the 150 number of gravity, which means that they could've been training with a higher number of gravity.
