Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #1 Thread: "Broly"

[zarmack]

Well obviously Goku can't use UI at will, but SSBKKx20 is free for use

Kaioken is a technique Goku uses on top of his forms, it's not a separate transformation, so it all depends on him and the plot if he'll use it or not.

and it was never implied that Vegeta can't tap into SSBE again, infact after achieving it once he did it again afterwards

SSBE has been described as Vegeta breaking through his limits. The same way UI was described. Goku achieved UI (omen in this case) multiple times also and now he can't use it. It seems it can only be used when pushed over the limit. (Disregarding the fact that SSBE is just a byproduct of Toei to make Vegeta at least a bit more relevant again.

SSBE was literally described by the writers as Vegeta's version of SSBKKx20, which could be used at will. Also, Vegeta after losing most of his stamina and energy against Toppo was still able to use the form again at will without any difficulty. So SSBE is not like UI at all.

Goku going SSBKKx10 against Hit in the Champa arc was also described him "breaking his limits", so its fallacious to think Vegeta can't use SSBE at will.

[BlueBasilisk]

I'm no expert on how movies are made or production so i'll ask you guys.

Couldn't it be that in the script, toriyama just says something like " Goku and Vegeta go full power all out but get dominated by Broly" That would allow Toei and later Toyotaro to adapt it based on their own continuities. Then Nagamine would just tell the animators to use ssbe or ssbkk and toriyama seems agreeable to stuff as long as it doesn't hurts his overall narrative and whether they use regular ssb, ssbkk, ssbe, cssb, it wouldn't matter cause they get their heads caved in regardless. Or do you think he would be very specific that he only wants ssg and ssb and none of the other stuff beyond that ?

That's possible, yeah. IIRC the Resurrection F script was like that. In the interviews for the movie I believe Toriyama even talked about leaving the fight scenes up to the staff at Toei because they'd make it an exciting spectacle.

He doesn't seem to have any problems incorporating other peoples' ideas into his scripts if he thinks he can do something entertaining with it. It's also possible that Nagamine or the Dragon Ball Room hashed out which forms they wanted to use with him ahead of time or in the script revisions.

[mute_proxy]

SSBE was literally described by the writers as Vegeta's version of SSBKKx20, which could be used at will. Also, Vegeta after losing most of his stamina and energy against Toppo was still able to use the form again at will without any difficulty. So SSBE is not like UI at all.

Goku going SSBKKx10 against Hit in the Champa arc was also described him "breaking his limits", so its fallacious to think Vegeta can't use SSBE at will.

They're similar/equivalent in strength, but it's not Vegeta's version of SSBKK20 and none of the writers have said that. Goku had zero stamina when his UI started kicking in, so in that regard, they're very similar. Let me correct myself, Whis said "Goku broke through the shell to the deeper potential within himself", and later Grand Priest said "Vegeta appears to have broken through his shell, too" about Vegeta, it's not just another "beaking through limits' case. They might not be the same forms, but the idea of the transformation is very similar if not the same.

[zarmack]

SSBE was literally described by the writers as Vegeta's version of SSBKKx20, which could be used at will. Also, Vegeta after losing most of his stamina and energy against Toppo was still able to use the form again at will without any difficulty. So SSBE is not like UI at all.

Goku going SSBKKx10 against Hit in the Champa arc was also described him "breaking his limits", so its fallacious to think Vegeta can't use SSBE at will.

They're similar/equivalent in strength, but it's not Vegeta's version of SSBKK20 and none of the writers have said that. Goku had zero stamina when his UI started kicking in, so in that regard, they're very similar. SSBKK isn't a transformation it's a multiplyer technique which expands limits, so don't compare it to a form. Let me correct myself, Whis said "Goku broke through the shell to the deeper potential within himself", and later Grand Priest said "Vegeta appears to have broken through his shell, too" about Vegeta. They might not be the same forms, but the idea of the transformation is very similar if not the same.

But nothing suggest Vegeta can't use SSBE at will, especially since he had literally used it again at will after beating Toppo.

[Kanassa]

Come November 14th and onwards with the early premiere in Tokyo, we’re gonna get spoiled pretty badly as to who or what is appearing in this movie...

But I admit the parallels between Heroes and everything we know about Broly Super movie are... unnerving.

Heroes usually has one arc per mission that parallels to a currently existing arc.

[Miracles]

Highly doubt KK Blue and SSBE are in the movie. Most likely they will be shown in the TV adaptation of the movie.

[Mister_Popo]

Well obviously Goku can't use UI at will, but SSBKKx20 is free for use

Kaioken is a technique Goku uses on top of his forms, it's not a separate transformation, so it all depends on him and the plot if he'll use it or not.

and it was never implied that Vegeta can't tap into SSBE again, infact after achieving it once he did it again afterwards

SSBE has been described as Vegeta breaking through his limits. The same way UI was described. Goku achieved UI (omen in this case) multiple times also and now he can't use it. It seems it can only be used when pushed over the limit. (Disregarding the fact that SSBE is just a byproduct of Toei to make Vegeta at least a bit more relevant again.

Point being exactly? These are forms they used regularly in the TOP, hell Goku used SSBKK through Super after Revival of F. SSBE has never been stated as "lost" or Vegeta "not being able to achieve it again", so he can freely use it at will. These forms don't have to be in the movie, but there has to be a logical explanation or flat out answer why they can't use it or it creates a plothole

Things can differ with the anime adaptation we'll likely gonna get.
Theoretically, yes, only the 'abscence' of UI wouldn't create a 'plotwhole'.
But in the Zamasu Arc Goku only used 'visible Kaioken' against Merged Zamasu (when he kicked him down), earlier in the battle when he enraged against Black and Zamasu, no KK-red noticable, when he normally should have used it, even in the beam struggle against Merged Zamasu, not a shade of KK-red noticable.
And this is widely considered as the best arc of Super.

I hope, even if UI is not in this movie, it returns later on in Super, otherwise that would create a massive plotwhole.
UI wasn't completely an accident, it's the goal in the learning curve as described by Whis.

[Raphael_Z]

Kaioken is a technique Goku uses on top of his forms, it's not a separate transformation, so it all depends on him and the plot if he'll use it or not.




SSBE has been described as Vegeta breaking through his limits. The same way UI was described. Goku achieved UI (omen in this case) multiple times also and now he can't use it. It seems it can only be used when pushed over the limit. (Disregarding the fact that SSBE is just a byproduct of Toei to make Vegeta at least a bit more relevant again.

Point being exactly? These are forms they used regularly in the TOP, hell Goku used SSBKK through Super after Revival of F. SSBE has never been stated as "lost" or Vegeta "not being able to achieve it again", so he can freely use it at will. These forms don't have to be in the movie, but there has to be a logical explanation or flat out answer why they can't use it or it creates a plothole

Things can differ with the anime adaptation we'll likely gonna get.
Theoretically, yes, only the 'abscence' of UI wouldn't create a 'plotwhole'.
But in the Zamasu Arc Goku only used 'visible Kaioken' against Merged Zamasu (when he kicked him down), earlier in the battle when he enraged against Black and Zamasu, no KK-red noticable, when he normally should have used it, even in the beam struggle against Merged Zamasu, not a shade of KK-red noticable.
And this is widely considered as the best arc of Super.

I hope, even if UI is not in this movie, it returns later on in Super, otherwise that would create a massive plotwhole.
UI wasn't completely an accident, it's the goal in the learning curve as described by Whis.

Hopefully UI will be EXTREMELY rare. Goku achieving SSJ was THE most epic moment of the original DBZ anime. But then every one and their grandma had SSJ so his super breaking the limits unique Saiyan of legend power up became extremely meh.

I really hope Goku doesn't uses UI as if it was just another SSJ transformation. I want it to be an extremely rare circumstance based power up.

[Miracles]

We don't even know if Goku being unable to access Ultra Instinct at will is a Toriyama exclusive idea. Seeing in the manga, Goku can access it with control.

[RecolorSaiyan]

The u7 spirit bomb, ss kefla and a holding back jiren pushed goku into UI but the strongest enemy ever quite possibly won't

[TheRed259]

The soundtracks of the movie are coming out on December 12, 2018:
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2018/10/29/dr ... announced/

[AnimeNation101]

So the movie is getting a Light Novel adaptation.

Hopefully this means we can see the full 3 hours of content created by Toriyama. And maybe when Super 2.0 comes out, if the LN DOES cover all 3 hours, DBS can go off of that.

[CTAkuma]

So the movie is getting a Light Novel adaptation.

Hopefully this means we can see the full 3 hours of content created by Toriyama. And maybe when Super 2.0 comes out, if the LN DOES cover all 3 hours, DBS can go off of that.

I want to buy one, but i'm fearing it won't be internationally released and i have to rely on fantranslations

[Chuquita]

I'm also not fluent enough in Japanese to be able to read a light novel, but I'm sure someone will translate it.

[AnimeNation101]

Not tryna start any wars but I'm interested to see how the Light Novel will compare to the Manga adaptation. But then again, with a movie story as planned out as this, there’s almost no way Toyotaro or Masatoshi can doing something bad without it being something that’s wrong with Toriyama’s ideas. But then again, execution matters to.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

OST hides tracks cuz spoilers
>comes out 2 days before the film opens nationwide.

Ichiban Kuji still not updated cuz spoilers
>opens December 4th well before the film.

WCF Vol.1 & VS #09 have blanks
>both will come out before the film opens nationwide

Japan & spoiler culture & logic. Where hiding spoilers for a film's nationwide release isn't priority but for a stupid magazine issue. Eugh.

[Chuquita]

I'm still expecting DBH's arcade game to pull another accidental spoiler before the movie debuts.

Also, as much as they try they still have an early screening in two weeks. I doubt they'll be able to keep all those people from talking about the movie after watching it.

[Melkaniator]

I'll just get the lame version Bardock and awful coloring Frieza, and awful coloring kicking-the-dead-horse-Broly.

This movie will not explore anything I'm interested on, so whatever.

SSBE was literally described by the writers as Vegeta's version of SSBKKx20

Is it?

Where's your "literal" source of that statement?

[JazzMazz]

I'll just get the lame version Bardock and awful coloring Frieza, and awful coloring kicking-the-dead-horse-Broly.

This movie will not explore anything I'm interested on, so whatever.

SSBE was literally described by the writers as Vegeta's version of SSBKKx20

Is it?

Where's your "literal" source of that statement?

One of the directors of the show confirmed that statement and the intent behind the anime staff in creating the form.

Also, best colour first form Freeza and good colour design Broly.

[Meshack]

We don't even know if Goku being unable to access Ultra Instinct at will is a Toriyama exclusive idea. Seeing in the manga, Goku can access it with control.

No he can't...