Is Cell android 21 or one of the first 12?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:36 am

A lot of people consider Cell to be android #21, because he's an artificial human created by Gero who appeared after #20. But his origin states that he was created by Gero maaaaany years ago and abandoned because of how long it would take to complete Cell. Wouldn't this imply that he's one of the first 12 (obviously not #8)?

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:39 am

He was designed to absorb 17 and 18, so I sincerely doubt he was conceived or created before they were.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 5:11 am

The android history chart on chapter 367's title page seems to show that he was made after No.17 and No.18:

(scan taken from VenomSymbiote)

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:10 am

How so? The box with Cell says that Gero "previously" started with Cell's construction. It's only by relation of the arrows that you might suppose Cell came after 17/18, but that arrow points both ways so it may not indicate a chronological order.

I always saw Cell as Gero's initial creation (#0, if you will). When he discovered that it'd take too long, he left Cell up to his computer and focused on more immediate achievable goals. Somewhere during the development of the various androids, Gero got the idea of having Cell aborb cyborgs. These cyborgs were eventually created as 17 and 18.

Offtopic: what do you think about the acronym C.E.L.L.: Clone of Every Living Legend? I think it fits Cell perfectly!

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:58 am

Actually the box only implies that Gero started experimenting with bio-technology previously (as in before 17 and 18 ).

But those experiments were not Cell. They were just experiments.

My guess is that, by the time Gero decided to create 17 and 18 he suddenly had very little time, so he programmed the computer to succeed in creating that bio weapon.

So we can say that the experiments for Cell started before 17 and 18. Probably around the time of 17 and 18 constrution Gero let the computer take over. And the computer, in the process of developing Cell, factored in 17 and 18`s existence so that Cell could become even more powerfull by absorbing them.

It is unknow if that idea was the computer`s idea or if that idea was Gero`s idea and the computer just followed the instrutions.

Either way, Cell`s development is based on 17 and 18`s existence and since Cell was not completed before Gero was killed, I guess we would have to call him 21.

And that manga page implies that Cell is a completely different creature from 1 to 20.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:08 am

Cell does mention that he's an "Android" when he's going into detail about himself to Piccolo--so I would say he would be #21 of them all.

As for the page: I wonder what other lifeforms Cell has within his structure?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:22 pm

Cell's explanation implies that the computer made him to assimilate #17 and #18 simply because he needed their power sources. Since the page just says "previously," this tells us an time prior to #17 and #18. Maybe the computer got the idea of building an energy source when Gero made them, and switched to assimilation when they killed Gero because it would be easier.

But the the "all had various problems" comment for androids 1-7 tells us, if Cell isn't considered #21, that he's either #9, #10, #11, or #12.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:26 pm

Oh hey, another thing. Cell was built with the DNA of folks like Vegeta and Freeza and King Cold, all who showed up a lot later. Unless Gero was adding DNA to Cell while he was already incubating, it seems like Cell wasn't started until at least soon after Trunks' visit. He was only still a tiny fetus when Trunks and Kuririn found him, after all.

Post by **Herms** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:12 pm

Didn't LovelyCyborg have a page explaining about how Cell isn't No.21? The place doesn't seem to be around anymore though...

the_abberration · Post by **the_abberration** » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:45 pm

If Movie #7 - Dragon Ball Z: Super Android 13! were to be looked at as a rip of the Cell Saga, then Cell may have been created prior to #17 & #18.

IIRC #13 - #15 (although built first) came after #17 & #18 killed Gero and the computer "completed them". Also #13 powered up by absorbing the latter #14 and #15. If the series followed that pattern, it would stand to reason.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:26 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:Oh hey, another thing. Cell was built with the DNA of folks like Vegeta and Freeza and King Cold, all who showed up a lot later. Unless Gero was adding DNA to Cell while he was already incubating, it seems like Cell wasn't started until at least soon after Trunks' visit. He was only still a tiny fetus when Trunks and Kuririn found him, after all.

Oh! Thanks for reminding me! This wasn't by Gero, this was the spy-bot, which was programmed by the computer. That means Gero abandoned Cell prior to Vegeta arriving on Earth.

Terra-jin · Post by **Terra-jin** » Tue Jun 09, 2009 1:59 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Oh hey, another thing. Cell was built with the DNA of folks like Vegeta and Freeza and King Cold, all who showed up a lot later. Unless Gero was adding DNA to Cell while he was already incubating, it seems like Cell wasn't started until at least soon after Trunks' visit. He was only still a tiny fetus when Trunks and Kuririn found him, after all.

Kaboom wins this thread!

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Is Cell android 21 or one of the first 12?

Is Cell android 21 or one of the first 12?

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