Gogeta or Vegetto

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:42 pm

Sorry for all these Questions, but this isn't a stupid question. Who do you think is stronger, Vegetto or Gogeta. And not Gogeta from GT, but Gogeta from Movie 12.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:43 pm

Vegito is stronger.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:48 pm

Veggeto, since he's canon and Gogeta not.

Saiyaman Prime · Post by **Saiyaman Prime** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:56 pm

Your avatar is way too big.
And Vegetto. Potara fusion > fusion dance.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:07 pm

MCDaveG wrote:Veggeto, since he's canon and Gogeta not.

1. Movies affected the Anime like Movie 1 which introduced Garlic Jr., who later showed up in the Anime and because in the Garlic Jr. Saga, Garlic Jr. used flashbacks from Movie 1, Movie 3 was when Kid Gohan found that purple animal, Icurus or something, which was shown in the Garlic Jr. Saga and Movie 5, and Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword.
2. Whether someone is cannon or not has nothing to do with who's Stronger.

MCDaveG · Post by **MCDaveG** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:14 pm

Actually it does..... It was said here already. Each villain is stronger then that one before, so you can say that Cell was stronger then Freeza, Buu was stronger then Cell and Babidi's henchmen, Dabura was equal to Cell's power.
You can say that on 100% plus characters themselves are talking about it.

As you know, it's hard to linking movies into tv show timeline, because they're not canon, sou can't tell on 100% who is stronger and how + in TV show and manga, these villains never existed and in video games, everyone is equal.....

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:20 pm

I believe the potaras result in a much stronger fusion than the dance, so Vegetto.

Post by **Herms** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:39 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:I believe the potaras result in a much stronger fusion than the dance, the Vegetto.

Yeah, Elder Kaioshin says that the effect of the Potara is greater than that of Fusion.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sat Sep 05, 2009 11:45 pm

MCDaveG wrote:Actually it does..... It was said here already. Each villain is stronger then that one before, so you can say that Cell was stronger then Freeza, Buu was stronger then Cell and Babidi's henchmen, Dabura was equal to Cell's power.
You can say that on 100% plus characters themselves are talking about it.

As you know, it's hard to linking movies into tv show timeline, because they're not canon, sou can't tell on 100% who is stronger and how + in TV show and manga, these villains never existed and in video games, everyone is equal.....

Wikipedia wrote:It was originally released in Japan on March 4, 1995 between episodes 258 and 259...

Now you know the timeline of the Movie. Does it change anything? No. And if you don't believe me... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Bal ... ion_Reborn.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:19 am

Gojiita may not be as strong as Bejiito, but I'm certain he could at least give him a run for his money if he was Super Saiya-jin and Bejiito was in base form.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:34 am

Ultimate DBZ wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:Veggeto, since he's canon and Gogeta not.
1. Movies affected the Anime like Movie 1 which introduced Garlic Jr., who later showed up in the Anime and because in the Garlic Jr. Saga, Garlic Jr. used flashbacks from Movie 1, Movie 3 was when Kid Gohan found that purple animal, Icurus or something, which was shown in the Garlic Jr. Saga and Movie 5, and Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword.

The movies don't affect the manga, though, which is probably the canon that they mean.

On topic, potara fusions are said to be superior. It is hard to compare the two, especially since Gogeta wasn't in it for long, and his fight wasn't written by the same author. All we can say for sure is that both were stronger than any SSJ3 at the time. However, if we're going to take anime into account, then anime Vegetto was stronger than Ultimate Buu even before going Super Saiyajin.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:36 am

Bussani wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:Veggeto, since he's canon and Gogeta not.
1. Movies affected the Anime like Movie 1 which introduced Garlic Jr., who later showed up in the Anime and because in the Garlic Jr. Saga, Garlic Jr. used flashbacks from Movie 1, Movie 3 was when Kid Gohan found that purple animal, Icurus or something, which was shown in the Garlic Jr. Saga and Movie 5, and Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword.
The movies don't affect the manga, though, which is probably the canon that they mean.

On topic, potara fusions are said to be superior. It is hard to compare the two, especially since Gogeta wasn't in it for long, and his fight wasn't written by the same author. All we can say for sure is that both were stronger than any SSJ3 at the time. However, if we're going to take anime into account, then anime Vegetto was stronger than Ultimate Buu even before going Super Saiyajin.

Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword, which he used in the Manga.

Super Saiyan Turlast x4 · Post by **Super Saiyan Turlast x4** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:42 am

Kid Trunks never used the sword in the Manga, unless I missed a part.

Future Trunks did, and his timeline didn't have a big statue man.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:43 am

Ultimate DBZ wrote:Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword, which he used in the Manga.

Except that's impossible.

Amigo Ten · Post by **Amigo Ten** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 12:44 am

Bussani wrote:
Ultimate DBZ wrote:
MCDaveG wrote:Veggeto, since he's canon and Gogeta not.
1. Movies affected the Anime like Movie 1 which introduced Garlic Jr., who later showed up in the Anime and because in the Garlic Jr. Saga, Garlic Jr. used flashbacks from Movie 1, Movie 3 was when Kid Gohan found that purple animal, Icurus or something, which was shown in the Garlic Jr. Saga and Movie 5, and Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword.
The movies don't affect the manga, though, which is probably the canon that they mean.

On topic, potara fusions are said to be superior. It is hard to compare the two, especially since Gogeta wasn't in it for long, and his fight wasn't written by the same author. All we can say for sure is that both were stronger than any SSJ3 at the time. However, if we're going to take anime into account, then anime Vegetto was stronger than Ultimate Buu even before going Super Saiyajin.

I compare Vegetto and Gotenks. The difference between the two appears to be far greater than the difference between Goten and Goku, or Trunks and Vegeta.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:06 am

Ultimate DBZ wrote:Movie 13 was when Trunks got his sword, which he used in the Manga.

That makes absolutely no sense, considering how time travel works in Dragon Ball. The main timeline we follow, where Gohan destroys Cell and Android 18 marries Kuririn, is completely different from the future that future Trunks came from. One doesn't lead into the other.

Trunks being given a similar looking sword in the movie seems more like a nod or some kind of cosmic irony. I don't know if the writers actually thought it made any sense or not. Because...it just...doesn't.

Amigo Ten wrote:I compare Vegetto and Gotenks. The difference between the two appears to be far greater than the difference between Goten and Goku, or Trunks and Vegeta.

That's a good way of doing it. Considering that SSJ Vegetto is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks...I mean, even with the difference between, say, Goku and Goten, that's a huge gap in power.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:36 am

I suppose it's not entirely impossible for Tapion to have shown up in Trunks' timeline as well as the "prime" one. Though the circumstances and events that would unravel are up to anyone's imagination.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:05 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiPG9S28Ud0 This is the ending of Dragon Ball Z Movie 13: Wrath of the Dragon. This video shows that the sword Tapion gave Trunks was the sword Future Trunks used. Therfor, DBZ Movie 13 affected the manga, which proved that the DBZ Mvoies are not side stories. Oh, and WATCH THE CREDITS OF THE VIDEO ALSO!

Eddie · Post by **Eddie** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:14 am

Enlighten us. How did Future Trunks get that sword? Did he go back to the main timeline, kick Kid Trunks, and say, "Gimme the sword, b****"? Does it have magic powers that allow it to be in two eras simultaneously? We can't contain our excitement. Please, I beg of you, give us the answer.

Ultimate DBZ · Post by **Ultimate DBZ** » Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:18 am

Eddie wrote:Enlighten us. How did Future Trunks get that sword? Did he go back to the main timeline, kick Kid Trunks, and say, "Gimme the sword, b****"? Does it have magic powers that allow it to be in two eras simultaneously? We can't contain our excitement. Please, I beg of you, give us the answer.

I don't know. But if you watch that entire video, including the credits, it'll show you that Future Trunks has the sword of Tapion. How, who knows? Ask Akira Toriyama. But, he just did. Like, Goku's Genki-Dama should've destroyed Planet Namek, but it didn't. http://db.schuby.org/daizex/viewtopic.php?t=11475