Rebirth Of Fusion... Starring Hitler!

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Rebirth Of Fusion... Starring Hitler!

Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:09 pm

There is animation of his mouth moving in the movie wich means FUNimation is going to have to make him say somthing. I know they would not make him say "Hail "Hitler" What could they possibly make him say besides that? I think a good way to avoid anything bad would be to make him sound like he is shouting German gibberish, not that Iam offended by "Hail Hitler" but I know some people are.

Also when Pikkon has to curse at the barrier to break it, what do you think there going to have him say?

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Re: Rebirth Of Fusion... Staring Hitler!

Post by VegettoEX » Fri Dec 03, 2004 6:15 pm

Tanooki Kuribo wrote:There is animation of his mouth moving in the movie wich means FUNimation is going to have to make him say somthing. I know they would not make him say "Hail "Hitler" What could they possibly make him say besides that? I think a good way to avoid anything bad would be to make him sound like he is shouting German gibberish, not that Iam offended by "Hail Hitler" but I know some people are.
Half the time he's just yelling, "ATTACK! ATTACK!" anyway. No biggie.
Tanooki Kuribo wrote:Also when Paikuhan has to curse at the barrier to break it, what do you think there going to have him say?
As Julian's explained, he's not so-much CURSING as he is... just being rude :P. It'll probably be along the same lines. "Stupid barrier, I hate you, you provide me with a very high level of upsetness, and I dislike the predicament you've put me in!.... FUCK YOU!"
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Post by Izlude » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:23 pm

Bah, this movie will see the light of a dvd release, it'll be several years before it ever airs on Toonami! I think Hitler is safe from the censors, for now!
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Post by lost in thought » Fri Dec 03, 2004 7:24 pm

I don't know about anyone else, but I find German stereotypes often more funny, than offensive. (I am also German, I wonder if that makes any difference?)

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Post by *PINHEAD* » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:02 am

Wow, Hitler's in a Dragon Ball movie...I'm taking this is that movie with Gogeta, right? Is Hitler seen in hell or something?
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Post by B-kun » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:07 am

*PINHEAD* wrote:Wow, Hitler's in a Dragon Ball movie...I'm taking this is that movie with Gogeta, right? Is Hitler seen in hell or something?
Yeah, it's from Gogeta's movie. But Hitler and the Nazi army are shown as ressurected, but they're played with (not necessarily killed) by Goten and Trunks (and later Gotenks). It's hilarious to watch. "Goten, let's go Super Saiyan and scare the crap out of this guy some more!"

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Post by lost in thought » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:37 am

Sounds like a decent enough way to handle Hitler's troupe. It would make my day, if the American dub had Hitler (or one of his cronies,) saying "Ein Reich, Ein Volk, Ein Führer." (No special reasoning behind the saying, I just think saying "A Realm, a People, a Leader" in a speech, is rather cool -- then again, the saying is open to interpretation, as "Ein" can also mean "One" in German... Or atleast, thats what I've been taught to believe.)
(Edit: I think the saying also has some connection with Hitler himself, but I can't be bothered to find out whether it has or not, and that knowledge would serve little importance to me.)

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Post by LaRésistance » Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:50 am

Hitler never made the cut in the French version. That movie was actually released in theaters here in 1996 (DBZ was really big at the time) but they censored his appearance.
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Post by ChibiKenji » Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:00 am

lost in thought wrote:then again, the saying is open to interpretation, as "Ein" can also mean "One" in German... Or atleast, thats what I've been taught to believe.)
My very limited memory of the German I learnt in school can tell you that yes, "ein" is "one" in German.

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Post by lost in thought » Sat Dec 04, 2004 4:38 am

I am in the same boat as you Kenji, I have limited memory of the language as well, from being taught in school -- now however, I've been meaning to take it up again, but the internet isn't the best place for reliable/correct references.

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Was the movie dubbed, or was it the original Japanese cut?

Anyway, speaking of 1996, I remember watching DragonBall Z at about 7:30am, back then. (Seeing DragonBall Z, especially the Freeza saga back then, was a shocker, since where I lived the local tv station rarely had any channels that showed cartoons, let alone decent ones.)

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Post by Timo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 9:52 am

"Ein" can mean "a" (e.g. "a ship") or "one" (e.g. "one ship"). You have to watch out for the context.
In the context of Hitler's stupid babbling it means (afaik) "one (and only) Reich/empire, one (and only) people, one (and only) leader."

Movie 12 has also been cut in Germany. The publisher made ONE movie with material from movies 12 and 13. They based their version on the French one, so it's cut. ^^

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Post by Xyex » Sat Dec 04, 2004 10:53 am

They spliced Movies 12 and 13 together? Hmm, even if it is in German I need to see that. Would be interesting...
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Post by LaRésistance » Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:37 am

lost in thought wrote: - LaRésistance;
Was the movie dubbed, or was it the original Japanese cut?
It was dubbed, if i remember correctly they don't mention the nazi army, they talk about the "army of evil" or something like that.
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Post by Ginyu Taiko » Sat Dec 04, 2004 11:52 am

LaRésistance wrote:
lost in thought wrote: - LaRésistance;
Was the movie dubbed, or was it the original Japanese cut?
It was dubbed, if i remember correctly they don't mention the nazi army, they talk about the "army of evil" or something like that.
Then that's what Funimation will probably do as well. They seem to like copying editing tricks from the French! The Hercul*/Mr.Satan name was one example and I think there were a few more. However, I cannot remember them!

Just noticed that this board automatically changes the "H" word to Mr.Satan. Very funny!

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Post by Timo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 12:42 pm

Xyex wrote:They spliced Movies 12 and 13 together? Hmm, even if it is in German I need to see that. Would be interesting...
Exactly, it's a "double feature"(Fusion und Drachenfaust/Fusion and Dragonfist). I didn't see it myself ('cause I hate DBZ in german and this one is cut), but a friend of mine told me that they put two movies behind each other. They cut out the Hitler scenes and changed the bgm. Not the entire bgm but you can hear Tapion's theme in movie 12, for example.

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Post by Tanooki Kuribo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:11 pm

Is there a DVD release of these two movies put together? I know it would probley be in Frances region code, thats ok. If you have a link that would help. Thanks.

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Post by Ginyu Taiko » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:53 pm

This is probably what you're looking for...
http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B ... 35-1501051

Yes, it is a Region 2 DVD.

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Post by Timo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 1:58 pm

DBZ - The Movie (german) :?
It's only dubbed. That is the reason why I didn't buy it.

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Post by Rocketman » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:12 pm

LaRésistance wrote:Hitler never made the cut in the French version.
I wonder why....

*cough*francegotowned*cough*

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Post by Timo » Sat Dec 04, 2004 2:45 pm

I think the cut is still laughable. The entire Hitler scenes are so comical and ridiculous that you already have to be
VERY unhumorous to not take them as jokes. ^^

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