Goku's Heart Disease

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Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:59 pm

I heard a rumour that Goku got his viral heart disease from Yardrat. Now, I assume that this is wild fan speculation, since there is nothing in the manga or anything else to my knowledge that alludes to this being the case. Just for the record, though, is there any more information about Goku's heart disease?
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by caejones » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:37 pm

If Goku got the heartdisease from Yardrat, it seems unlikely that there would be an antidote for it in Trunks's time.
All we know is that Goku died from the disease before the battle with the Android/Cyborg/jinzoningen/thingies in Trunks's timeline.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Gaffer Tape » Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:41 pm

I remember hearing that well before FUNimation got to those episodes, so I think it's a misconception that's been around for a while. I believed it for the longest time, but caejones is right in his logic.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Kendamu » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:25 pm

caejones wrote:If Goku got the heartdisease from Yardrat, it seems unlikely that there would be an antidote for it in Trunks's time.
All we know is that Goku died from the disease before the battle with the Android/Cyborg/jinzoningen/thingies in Trunks's timeline.
Trunks is from around 15 years into the future. I don't see why that's not enough time to find a cure in a world where people can make technology for time travel and visiting other planets.

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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Sprite Satan » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:31 pm

Kendamu wrote:Trunks is from around 15 years into the future. I don't see why that's not enough time to find a cure in a world where people can make technology for time travel and visiting other planets.

But it'd be a cure for a space disease only one person as far as we know ever had, 12-15 years ago. Not to say it's impossible, after formulating this time travel plan, Bulma could have dug up Goku's body, cut out his heart and developed this cure but it's certainly more awkward than Goku being a victim of a new earth-based disease that was eventually cured by earth-based medical research.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Amigo Ten » Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:42 pm

Goku wasn't the only one who got it though was he? It was a virus that started spreading around that time, and he happened to catch it, I think. I can't find Trunks saying anything about it in my manga, but I'm sure I've heard that somewhere.

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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Kendamu » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:03 pm

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Kendamu wrote:Trunks is from around 15 years into the future. I don't see why that's not enough time to find a cure in a world where people can make technology for time travel and visiting other planets.

But it'd be a cure for a space disease only one person as far as we know ever had, 12-15 years ago. Not to say it's impossible, after formulating this time travel plan, Bulma could have dug up Goku's body, cut out his heart and developed this cure but it's certainly more awkward than Goku being a victim of a new earth-based disease that was eventually cured by earth-based medical research.
Chichi and Yamcha took a bit of the medicine, too, to make sure they didn't catch it. Likely, the disease was contagious. If it weren't, then there'd have been no reason to make a cure.

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Post by Sprite Satan » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:06 pm

Kendamu wrote:Chichi and Yamcha took a bit of the medicine, too, to make sure they didn't catch it. Likely, the disease was contagious. If it weren't, then there'd have been no reason to make a cure.
It probably was, it wasn't really my main point anyway. The real question is, is there proof the virus is extraterrestrial and if not why assume it is?
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Gaffer Tape » Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:08 pm

Probably the logic behind assuming it is the fact that it was a plot point brought completely out of random, with no current cure, right after Goku had spent a year in outer space. Doesn't seem too far-fetched that someone would meld those together.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by hleV » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:01 pm

Goku probably caught the disease in Yadrat since Namek and Yadrat were the only planets he visited before returning to Earth.

Are Sensu Beans supposed to kill person's disease if he has one? I somehow doubt it. It may restore your health and energy, but the disease can fuck you up again (like it did to Goku).

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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Amigo Ten » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:03 pm

And he couldn't have got it from Earth because...?

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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by hleV » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:06 pm

I'm not sure, but noone in (Dragon Ball's) Earth had had such a disease. So it was probably from a different planet.

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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by the_abberration » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:12 pm

I think the misconception comes from Goku being the only one (we see) suffering from it after he returns from Yardrat.

In both the manga (VIZ) and subbed version, Trunks says their was no cure in Goku's time, but there is one in Trunk's time. This would imply that people other than Goku fell ill to the heart disease, since he says "we have a cure in my time" . If it was just Goku, I think he would have said Bulma worked on it as well as the time machine.

The dub of the anime goes a step further. Trunks flat out says the heart disease would effect others and tells Goku he would be hearing about it in the news soon.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:01 am

hleV wrote:I'm not sure, but noone in (Dragon Ball's) Earth had had such a disease. So it was probably from a different planet.
There's no reason to assume diseases were non-existent, though. I mean, they had hospitals and stuff in Dragon World, so people must fall ill sometimes, whether to do with diseases or not.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by hleV » Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:06 am

Who's assuming that diseases are non-existent in Dragon World?

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:49 pm

Amigo Ten wrote:Goku wasn't the only one who got it though was he? It was a virus that started spreading around that time, and he happened to catch it, I think. I can't find Trunks saying anything about it in my manga, but I'm sure I've heard that somewhere.
I don't think that's ever said in the Anime or Manga, but that seems like the most likely possibility.

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Post by Xyex » Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:09 am

the_abberration wrote:The dub of the anime goes a step further. Trunks flat out says the heart disease would effect others and tells Goku he would be hearing about it in the news soon.
This is part of what gave me the idea. The fact it was so new it hadn't made the news yet made it sound to me like it just didn't exist yet. Not on Earth, at least. Goku picked it up, brought it back with him, and his Saiya-jin-ness let him fight it off longer than the average person, so he got sick later than the human population did.

Another thing that gave me the idea was that Goku still got sick even after Trunks changed the future with his message. Goku wasn't doing the same things in the new time line that he did in the old one, wasn't going to the same places, etc., and yet he still caught he virus. So it seemed to me he must have already had it in advance of Trunks arriving, thus he must have caught it while in space.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Rocketman » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:40 am

Amazing how some virus from halfway across the galaxy is compatible with Goku when Earth viruses can't even infect all forms of life on Earth.

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Post by Silver Sinspawn » Sun Apr 25, 2010 3:56 am

What makes you guys think its a contagious disease? Maybe its like cancer. Possibly he was born with it. Possibly its genetic.
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Re: Goku's Heart Disease

Post by Bussani » Sun Apr 25, 2010 4:37 am

Silver Sinspawn wrote:What makes you guys think its a contagious disease? Maybe its like cancer. Possibly he was born with it. Possibly its genetic.
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