Garlic Jr. Saga - Really the worst?

[coola]

I recently re-watched entire Garlic Jr. Saga,and while it still isnt my favorite saga,it certianly doesnt deserve title of worst saga{in my opinion,this title should go to 25th Tenkaichi Budokai episodes,and most GT } Yes,it have many flaws:
-Spice Boys are the most pathetic henchman in Dragon Ball universe,especially,if you compare them to Ginger,Nikki and Sansho
-Most Kami and Popo stuff involve jogging,directed in The Flintstones style
-They didn`t rehire Akira Kamiya,who was much better seiyuu for Garlic Jr. than Shigeru Chiba
-Garlic Jr. create opportunity to defeeat him {On the other hand,you can same the same thing for most villans}
But,it also have many enjoyable stuff
-No Goku
-Maron
-Zombie Z-Warriors and friends
-Piccolo kicks ass
-Dramatic moments,where Piccolo become much weaker,when Kami get zapped

[hleV]

Who hates Garlick Jr.? I don't. He's just non-canon. Broly is also non-canon but I don't hate him. I like non-canon characters (and plots), just don't consider them canon.

[Kendamu]

I don't have this deep hatred for it or anything. It more or less puts me to sleep than anything. I prefer to skip it if I don't plan on taking a nap.

[Savage68]

I don't know anyone that 'hates' the Garlic Jr. anime arc, but I disliked it. Movie 1 was incredible, and probably one of the best DBZ movies, but Garlic's appearance in the anime series was plagued with bad animation (I guess that couldn't really be helped), and the awful choreography that usually goes hand-in-hand with filler battles. And it went on for about 5 episodes more than it should've.

Shigeru Chiba's work was the only thing that salvaged it.

[coola]

Yes, "hate" is too big word,i changed topic title

[Kendamu]

Movie 1 was incredible, and probably one of the best DBZ movies

This is probably why the Garlic Jr. filler is so disappointing. DBZ Movie 1 was absolutely fantastic. It sits amongst my top 3 in DBZ movies. It's something that's hard to live up to when you're going to do a throwback to it on the TV show.

[Blue]

The biggest complaint I have with that saga is midway through when the writers wrote themselves into a corner Piccolo stands up and goes "LOL JUST KIDDING YOU GUISE!!!". That's Boo arc level of stupid convenience.

[Cipher]

That's Boo arc level of stupid convenience.

If it was like the Buu arc, it would be self-aware and hilarious.

Anyway, it's been too long since I've seen it to judge. But I remember really enjoying it when I saw it on TV for using minor characters and having some fairly condensed storytelling. Those are actually the episodes I'm most looking forward to watching when I get Dragon Box 3. (I had the first three Season Sets, but stopped buying after that. So most post-Freeza stuff is need of a re-watch.)

[Blue]

That's Boo arc level of stupid convenience.

If it was like the Buu arc, it would be self-aware and hilarious.

I don't think
"Allow me to pull this transformation out of absolutely nowhere with 0 build up."
"Oh hey I have this certain technique that can save us all and we just happen to have the right people to do it here and now."
"Yeah there's two fusion methods now. What are the chances? Throw on this mystical earing plz."
"Oh hey we randomly defused inside Boo's stomach because the author thought this was a shitty idea and couldn't write us out of it well. Oh well."
"Yeah I know we've been building up to this fight for a huge amount of time but allow me to be absorbed in about 2 episode because Toriyama wanted to change course again."

Were meant to be funny.

[Bussani]

You put Maron under the wrong list.

[Hujio]

Shigeru Chiba's work was the only thing that salvaged it.

Amen to that! The man's a God.

[Cipher]

I don't think
"Allow me to pull this transformation out of absolutely nowhere with 0 build up."
"Oh hey I have this certain technique that can save us all and we just happen to have the right people to do it here and now."
"Yeah there's two fusion methods now. What are the chances? Throw on this mystical earing plz."
"Oh hey we randomly defused inside Boo's stomach because the author thought this was a shitty idea and couldn't write us out of it well. Oh well."
"Yeah I know we've been building up to this fight for a huge amount of time but allow me to be absorbed in about 2 episode because Toriyama wanted to change course again."

Were meant to be funny.

Check the "Who else's favorite arc is Buu?" thread in this section for my thoughts on why, yes, they were.

If you don't see Super Saiyan 3 as at least something of a self-parody, Toriyama's flying over your head.

[Blue]

I don't think
"Allow me to pull this transformation out of absolutely nowhere with 0 build up."
"Oh hey I have this certain technique that can save us all and we just happen to have the right people to do it here and now."
"Yeah there's two fusion methods now. What are the chances? Throw on this mystical earing plz."
"Oh hey we randomly defused inside Boo's stomach because the author thought this was a shitty idea and couldn't write us out of it well. Oh well."
"Yeah I know we've been building up to this fight for a huge amount of time but allow me to be absorbed in about 2 episode because Toriyama wanted to change course again."

Were meant to be funny.

Check the "Who else's favorite arc is Buu?" thread in this section for my thoughts on why, yes, they were.

If you don't see Super Saiyan 3 as at least something of a self-parody, Toriyama's flying over your head.

I think you're highly overestimating Toriyama's wit. I doubt he was sitting there making discrete lamp shading jokes in a series for 8 year olds. It's typical Toriyama "Well I'm out of ideas." Just like the real magical water sitting right next to the fake magical water on Karin's look out.

In a way that's the only funny thing about the Boo. Toriyama was throwing up his arms and saying "fuck it" as he draws whatever comes to mind at the moment. The whole concept of Fusion came from Toriyama being stuck in a corner because everyone was too absurdly strong. It wasn't some witty commentary on his manga. I have zero reason to believe anything else listed above is something other then similar dilemmas.

[Silver Sinspawn]

People dislike this saga?
This was my favourite saga, besides Saiyan, and anything on Namek, prior to Krillin's Death (because it had that original DB feel to it, hunting fr Dragon Balls), and the Android saga

[Gaffer Tape]

I just find it funny that this arc had some of the highest ratings of the series (if I remember right). Granted, that also doesn't surprise me. It not only came right after one of the peak moments of popularity, it was an entire arc that couldn't be found in the manga. I'm not surprised Japanese fans flocked to it, but it's still funny.

Like Cipher, I'm looking forward to getting to these episodes on my Dragon Box. For one, it was very nostalgic for me. I remember that spring of 2000. It was the first time I ever brought an "uncut" tape, and it was fun catching these on Saturday mornings on the Rising Sun block. But I haven't watched it since then, and I've never seen it in its original version, and I only vaguely remember how it ends. Whereas with the Freeza stuff, I've read the manga so many times that I know it very well.

What I don't like it about is mainly its complete lack of sense in regards to the television series itself. Garlic Jr.? Haiyaa Dragon?! If all you've watched is the TV series, none of this is going to make a lick of sense. And neither of those movies can even manage to fit into continuity in the first place, especially not movie 3! I mean, filler can get pretty ridiculous, but pulling ideas from a totally different continuity altogether? I'm surprised they didn't eventually throw Broli into a filler episode with that kind of logic! Also, it makes me sad that Yamucha was turned into a zombie rather than given one last chance to be useful. I mean, seriously, he could certainly have stood up to Garlic Jr.'s henchmen!

EDIT: Ooh, I also just remembered that this arc marked something of a dark turn for the dub as it introduced that ear-splitting, vomit-inducing BGM piece that I've always heard "affectionately" referred to as "Killer Clown Music" that ended up getting a lot of airtime in season 4.

[Silver Sinspawn]

How did Garlic Jr get out in the first place?
and get new Makyo-jin (well, i'm pretty sure they are Makyo-jin) henchmen.

[Gaffer Tape]

If I remember correctly, the passing of Makyo to the earth gave Garlic Jr. enough of a power boost to break free of his prison.

[Silver Sinspawn]

But then how did he get those henchmen?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

But then how did he get those henchmen?

I dunno. They probably were just random demons from the Planet Makyo.

[Silver Sinspawn]

I don't think he went back to the planet. So I'm not sure how he got them. Lets just mark it as a plot hole.