Why does Tien always get nerfed?

[Sypheran]

In all the games that have released for Dragonball Z, Tien has always been held back from how awesome he truly is...

In the original Budokai's, he never recieved his Tri-beam for an ultimate until Budokai 3, before that it was his weak volleyball technique. Then, in the Tenkaichi games, he never even received his signature Solar Flare (yet other characters got it) until the Raging Blast games.

And then he has so many other extremely useful techniques that he hasn't had in any games yet...

--Multiform (this could easily be a unique rush for Tien with it ending by the mutliforms using Ki Blast Cannon, instead of the generic one he get's in most games... Or, for something like Tenkaichi Tag it could actually create AI controlled versions that last a few seconds but have dramatically weakened stats)

--Four-arms (this could/and should, be a transformation of Tiens... Krillin usually get's his "unlocked potential", why can't Tien get his four arms? It can increase his attack damage and attack speed. Heck, Tien has even had his "Spirit Burst" technique since Dragonball which works much like Kaioken, and yet he has never even received that in any of the games.)

--Copy technique ability (in Dragonball, Tien explains that he has the ability to copy any ability he has seen at least once. He also shows doing this twice, copying the Kamehameha and Evil Containment Wave... I think this could be implimented as either "use random character's main technique", "use opponents character's main technique", "use opponents character random technqiue"...)

I think that these three (four if you give him Spirit Burst as a power-up), along with his Dodon Ray, Tri-beam, Solar Flare, and Neo Tri-beam should be given to Tien in the next Dragonball Z game to come out... What are others thoughts?

[ThunderPX]

I think it might be a combination of the recent games' "quantity over quality" method, as well as the games being based on Z, where Tenshinhan doesn't really seem to use a lot of techniques. I mean, damn, off the top of my head I only remember the Kikoho against Nappa and the Shin Kikoho against Cell.

On a sidenote, I personally always interpreted that "copy technique" as more of a proof of Tenshinhan's martial arts talent, rather than an explicit special ability. I guess it sort of depends on how it was originally worded, though.

And on a side-side-note, this is the sort of thing that makes me want to do a Dragon Ball fangame.

[SylentEcho]

And on a side-side-note, this is the sort of thing that makes me want to do a Dragon Ball fangame.

Yeah, me too. I just don't have the time.

DBZ Galactic Warriors would have so awesome if it wasn't abandoned like 99% of the other DBZ fan games.

[Herms]

in Dragonball, Tenshinhan explains that he has the ability to copy any ability he has seen at least once.

What he says is that he can master the Kamehameha after seeing it once because it isn't a very advanced technique. So presumably he couldn't do that with anything.

[BlazingFiddlesticks]

Except Tien wasn't that bad in Budokai 2 outside of Volleyball Fist, if I recall. I know his base combo was fast.

Not that it really mattered, given that Goku basically owned Budokai 2 with the Warp Kamehameha Cancel Combo.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah, Tenshinhan has such a range of interesting moves, yet he always gets shafted with the Dodonpa and two Kikohos. Why do you need the regular Kikoho and the Shin Kikoho? You could either customize it, or have it so, when you're in MAX Power, you can fire multiple Kikohos.

I mean, look at all the moves he could have: Shishin no Ken, Taiyo-ken, Kikoho, Shiyo-ken, Shin-Kikoho, Machinegun Thrust, Dodonpa, Eye Ray, Haikyuu-ken, Mafuuba, Kamehameha...it really is a surprise that he still gets two freakin' Kikohos. Although I think, at least, in Sparking! METEOR, he had his Kamehameha deflection.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Personally I think Tenshinhan is a beast in Burst Limit. He's my favorite character and I feel they gave him a fair move list. I prefer him in the Budokai games because, along with Yamcha, they actually give him speed and put a lot of focus on physical combat which works well with the human characters. As for some of the moves you listed, I can't see multiform being used outside of a rush type move. Four-arms would be an interesting transformation and could really add to physical attacks and combos. As for the copy technique, I don't really think it's necessary but that's just me.

With the millions of games Dragonball sees each year it's amazing that no other character has been brought to there full potential outside of the sayians. I mean Trunks is going SSj3 now but other characters are still using the same move sets from back in the SNES days.

[Rocketman]

And then he has so many other extremely useful techniques that he hasn't had in any games yet...

So extremely useful they showed up once each, only in the showboating tournaments, and never came up again.

He doesn't get "nerfed", his techniques were shit to start with outside of Solar Flare and Kikoho.

[ThunderPX]

Personally I think Tenshinhan is a beast in Burst Limit. He's my favorite character and I feel they gave him a fair move list. I prefer him in the Budokai games because, along with Yamcha, they actually give him speed and put a lot of focus on physical combat which works well with the human characters. As for some of the moves you listed, I can't see multiform being used outside of a rush type move. Four-arms would be an interesting transformation and could really add to physical attacks and combos. As for the copy technique, I don't really think it's necessary but that's just me.

With the millions of games Dragonball sees each year it's amazing that no other character has been brought to there full potential outside of the sayians. I mean Trunks is going SSj3 now but other characters are still using the same move sets from back in the SNES days.

Are there really that many techniques from the manga that haven't been carried over to the games? I'd call Tenshinhan the exception if anything. I mean, how much can you do with Yamcha? He has the Rogafufuken, the Sokidan and the Kamehameha... and that's about it. Unless you want them to just start making shit up, there's not a whole lot you can do.

And of course, the humans weren't even in the SNES games, but that's probably not your point. ;P

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

Are there really that many techniques from the manga that haven't been carried over to the games? I'd call Tenshinhan the exception if anything. I mean, how much can you do with Yamcha? He has the Rogafufuken, the Sokidan and the Kamehameha... and that's about it. Unless you want them to just start making shit up, there's not a whole lot you can do.

And of course, the humans weren't even in the SNES games, but that's probably not your point. ;P

Yea but that's Yamcha,

In all seriousness you're right. There isn't a whole lot of combos to chose from but if I were going to make moves up I'd mix the one time moves(that Rocketman mentioned) in with some flashy rush combo attacks.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

He doesn't get "nerfed", his techniques were shit to start with outside of Solar Flare and Kikoho.

Sure is a funny way of spelling "Volleyball Fist Technique".

[Piccolo Daimao]

And then he has so many other extremely useful techniques that he hasn't had in any games yet...

So extremely useful they showed up once each, only in the showboating tournaments, and never came up again.

He doesn't get "nerfed", his techniques were shit to start with outside of Solar Flare and Kikoho.

*facepalm*

That's not the point, the point is that when these games look to shovel in all kinds of moves accurate to the anime (like Tao Pai Pai's "Crane Hermit Style Assassin Fist" from Sparking! METEOR that he used on Goku, or SSj2 Goku's combo on Kid Boo from Raging Blast), it's stupid to just miss out a bunch of techniques that could put in rather than two Kikohos and a Dodonpa.

I mean, did you see my post? Did you see all those moves? Now tell me how his techniques were shit.

[CatouttaHell]

*facepalm*

That's not the point, the point is that when these games look to shovel in all kinds of moves accurate to the anime (like Tao Pai Pai's "Crane Hermit Style Assassin Fist" from Sparking! METEOR that he used on Goku, or SSj2 Goku's combo on Kid Boo from Raging Blast), it's stupid to just miss out a bunch of techniques that could put in rather than two Kikohos and a Dodonpa.

I mean, did you see my post? Did you see all those moves? Now tell me how his techniques were shit.

He's just a troll. Tenshinhan has some of the best moves in the series. I really wish BT3 had more Dragonball characters, more importantly a DB Tenshinhan with a Four Armed Form. Him having two Kikohos in that game is just absurd. Also how in Advanced Adventure, Kuririn got the Taiyo-ken but Tenshinhan didn't.

Seriously how did the guy who INVENTED THE TECHNIQUE not get it but some guy who stole it did?

[Rocketman]

I mean, did you see my post? Did you see all those moves? Now tell me how his techniques were shit. :roll:

They are shit, because they're excessively flashy and never did anything.

BUT that is not to say he shouldn't have them. Gotenks gets most of his shitty moves too.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

No, BT3 does not need anymore characters. If anything it had way too many. As for Tenshinhan, well yea some of those moves were cool for flash appeal but Rocketman is right; they were just obscure(pull out of my ass the way Toriyama does) attacks used for the tournament. The reason developers use the same moves over and over again is because those are his iconic attacks. The only reason Gotenks and Tao Pai Pai had all of there stupid moves is because the developers don't really have much to pull from.

Would I'd like to see some of Tenshinhan's attacks, sure why not. But I can see why they don't. Then again, these are the people who insist it's a good idea to make everyone a SSj3.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I mean, did you see my post? Did you see all those moves? Now tell me how his techniques were shit.

They are shit, because they're excessively flashy and never did anything.

BUT that is not to say he shouldn't have them. Gotenks gets most of his shitty moves too.

Fair enough.

I mean, how much can you do with Yamcha? He has the Rogafufuken, the Sokidan and the Kamehameha... and that's about it. Unless you want them to just start making shit up, there's not a whole lot you can do.

Well, yeah, pretty much the only attacks that he used in the series were the Kamehameha, Roga Fû-Fû Ken, Shin Roga Fû-Fû Ken and the Sôkidan. But you could throw in another rush attack using the sword he had when he went to help Goku fight the RRA with the others.

[TrunksTrevelyan0064]

Tenshinhan's one of my favourite characters, but in Tenkaichi 3, his moveset is why I don't use him as much as I'd like. I mean, the Dodonpa. It may be the Crane school's signature move, but not Tenshinhan's. The Dodonpa gets enough representation in Chaozu and Taopaipai - give Tenshinhan the fancy ol' Volleyball or Machinegun Fist or something.

(Better yet, Tenkaichi 3 should just have had a list of several Blast 2s and Ultimates for each character to choose from.)

[Piccolo Daimao]

Tenshinhan's one of my favourite characters, but in Tenkaichi 3, his moveset is why I don't use him as much as I'd like. I mean, the Dodonpa. It may be the Crane school's signature move, but not Tenshinhan's. The Dodonpa gets enough representation in Chaozu and Taopaipai - give Tenshinhan the fancy ol' Volleyball or Machinegun Fist or something.

(Better yet, Tenkaichi 3 should just have had a list of several Blast 2s and Ultimates for each character to choose from.)

Well, I think Tenshinhan should keep the Dodonpa, since it's the Tsuru-sen School's technique, after all. To leave out the Dodonpa from Tenshinhan's moveset would be like leaving out the Kamehameha from Kuririn's moveset.

But I don't think Tenshinhan should've had both the regular Kikoho and the Shin Kikoho. What's the point? How about having the Kikoho as an ultimate, and incorporating that into the Shin Kikoho or something? Or customization? There are better ways than two Kikohos in a moveset.

I'm also disappointed that the Mafuuba hasn't found its way into a fighting game yet either.

[Titan]

First of all,in DBZ ultimate battle 27 Tenshinhan has multiform and Eye ray .


My favourites would be Shishin no Ken, Kikoho, Shiyo-ken, Shin-Kikoho, Machinegun Thrust, , Eye Ray and Mafuuba.
However,he never gets them,because the producers are lazy.
On the other hand, Naruto video games included EVERY MOVE for all characters.

[Piccolo Daimao]

First of all,in DBZ ultimate battle 27 Tenshinhan has multiform and Eye ray .

He also has the Machinegun Thrust.