Exactly how strong was Chichi during the Boo Saga?

[sonikku956]

I have always wondered this, due to the fact that she trained Goten, up to the point of accidentally unlocking (and surviving) his SSJ mode. She was only as strong as Muten Roshi.

[hleV]

Chi Chi surviving Goten's SSJ was filler. I highly doubt she's any stronger than what she was during the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai.

[OzzyApu]

Not very strong. I really doubt she was well beyond what she had when she fought Goku at the Tenkaichi back in DB. She took on the motherly role for the duration of Gohan's upbringing. When it came to Goten, there's no indication that she pushed to another level of power beyond what she was. The way Goten was given SSJ just reeks of bad writing, so I wouldn't make any sense out of it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The same strength as when she fought Gokuu at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai (IMO, stronger than King Chapa, due to Chapa being knocked out by one karate chop to the neck, while Chi-Chi got up with little damage after Gokuu blew her out of the ring with a poorly-suppressed shockwave - but weaker than all of the other super-warriors). There's no way she'd be able to keep up with Goten's full power, so she just did some light sparring with the boy, who presumably would've held back so as to not destroy and, subsequently, piss off his mother.

It's only filler that shows Goten transforming into Super Saiyan to fight Chi-Chi. In the manga, it's only mentioned that he showed it to her once, so I guess it was more a case of, "Hey, Mom! Look what I can do! I can power up like Gohan!" As for when he originally transformed, I'd guess that it was during a playfighting session with Trunks. You know, kids can get agitated easier than adults (which, in DB - which makes stuff like kiai and "What doesn't kill make me makes me stronger" literal - could equate to "lower rage catalyst for SS"), especially when they're competing against each other.

[DBZAOTA482]

Probably weaker than before since in the manga, she hasn't really been depicted in action after the fight with Goku.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Probably weaker than before since in the manga, she hasn't really been depicted in action after the fight with Goku.

You know, I don't think you literally decrease in power because you stop training. Maybe people like Muten Roushi and God, but they were getting old and, thus, their bodies wouldn't be in their prime. Chi-Chi was 37 here, which is still relatively young (the only reason she worried about getting old/wrinkly or whatever she said was because Gokuu hadn't been ageing in the afterlife, and then add on the fact that he's a Saiyan, which she may know or have guessed anyway).

And Gohan was a special case, because due to lack of training, he'd lost the ability to gain power from rage (which comes back out as the old Kaioushin draws out his dormant power beyond his limits, as shown when Gohan became frustrated with how long it was taken, got mad and surprised even himself with his burst of astounding power), which I believe was key to his strength in Super Saiyan 2 (yeah, I tend to flip-flop on whether or not Gohan was SS2 vs. Dabra and Fat Boo, and/or how him being SS can work in the story).

[Majin Boo]

Didn't the battle power listings have Muten Roushi at the exact same BP during the Saiyan arc as what he had during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai?

[Bussani]

Didn't the battle power listings have Muten Roushi at the exact same BP during the Saiyan arc as what he had during the 22nd Tenkaichi Budoukai?

Basically yes. Obviously everything from before battle powers were introduced is based on the battle powers we got later, so Kame-sennin's reading of 139 from the Saiyan arc seems to be reused in the Daizenshuu as his 22nd world tournament battle power. However, there is a Weekly Jump list of battle powers that places him at 180 with a picture from the Daimao arc, and people disagree on whether to take this seriously or, if they do take it seriously, how to apply it to everything else.

[Majin Boo]

Basically yes. Obviously everything from before battle powers were introduced is based on the battle powers we got later, so Kame-sennin's reading of 139 from the Saiyan arc seems to be reused in the Daizenshuu as his 22nd world tournament battle power. However, there is a Weekly Jump list of battle powers that places him at 180 with a picture from the Daimao arc, and people disagree on whether to take this seriously or, if they do take it seriously, how to apply it to everything else.

I thought the 180 was while firing a Kamehameha? The accompanying text seems to imply so.

[OzzyApu]

Basically yes. Obviously everything from before battle powers were introduced is based on the battle powers we got later, so Kame-sennin's reading of 139 from the Saiyan arc seems to be reused in the Daizenshuu as his 22nd world tournament battle power. However, there is a Weekly Jump list of battle powers that places him at 180 with a picture from the Daimao arc, and people disagree on whether to take this seriously or, if they do take it seriously, how to apply it to everything else.

I thought the 180 was while firing a Kamehameha? The accompanying text seems to imply so.

It would have to be, otherwise he could have taken out Daimao with a prepared one of those during a fight. Remember Goku's BP going from ~416 to ~1000? The same would have to go for Roshi, though likely at a lesser level.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Well, she probably had to do some toning up before the day of the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai, just because she knew she may have to survive a bout of Goku lovin'.

[Fox666]

Why don't you ask how strong was Popo during the Boo saga, since he was sparing with Goten and Trunks?

[OzzyApu]

Why don't you ask how strong was Popo during the Boo saga, since he was sparing with Goten and Trunks?

That was a filler scene that brought more inconsistencies.

[Saiga]

Why don't you ask how strong was Popo during the Boo saga, since he was sparing with Goten and Trunks?

That was a filler scene that brought more inconsistencies.

So was Chichi taking Goten's kick.

[Bussani]

Basically yes. Obviously everything from before battle powers were introduced is based on the battle powers we got later, so Kame-sennin's reading of 139 from the Saiyan arc seems to be reused in the Daizenshuu as his 22nd world tournament battle power. However, there is a Weekly Jump list of battle powers that places him at 180 with a picture from the Daimao arc, and people disagree on whether to take this seriously or, if they do take it seriously, how to apply it to everything else.

I thought the 180 was while firing a Kamehameha? The accompanying text seems to imply so.

The text seems to say so, but the image is from the Daimao arc. Kame-sennin didn't use the Kamehameha in the Daimao arc, so it would have to be from when he destroyed the moon, right? That's why I said people aren't sure what to do with this number--it's just a little vague. Saying it was his max-power Kamehameha probably does make the most sense, though.

[Fox666]

The description says "he fires the original Kamehameha". Perhaps this description is just a biography, like "he was born with a tail"?

[Bussani]

That's also possible. In fact, when you word it that way, it sounds more plausible to me than before.

[DBZAOTA482]

Probably weaker than before since in the manga, she hasn't really been depicted in action after the fight with Goku.

You know, I don't think you literally decrease in power because you stop training. Maybe people like Muten Roushi and God, but they were getting old and, thus, their bodies wouldn't be in their prime. Chi-Chi was 37 here, which is still relatively young (the only reason she worried about getting old/wrinkly or whatever she said was because Gokuu hadn't been ageing in the afterlife, and then add on the fact that he's a Saiyan, which she may know or have guessed anyway).

And Gohan was a special case, because due to lack of training, he'd lost the ability to gain power from rage (which comes back out as the old Kaioushin draws out his dormant power beyond his limits, as shown when Gohan became frustrated with how long it was taken, got mad and surprised even himself with his burst of astounding power), which I believe was key to his strength in Super Saiyan 2 (yeah, I tend to flip-flop on whether or not Gohan was SS2 vs. Dabra and Fat Boo, and/or how him being SS can work in the story).

That's a question that has been going through my head for some time, does she really know about his Saiyan heritage?

[OzzyApu]

That's a question that has been going through my head for some time, does she really know about his Saiyan heritage?

She'd have to know that it's there. She seems like the type of person that would love to get to know Goku. She might not have made him go too in-depth since he himself doesn't really have much of a clue about it besides what applies to fighting and food. As far I'm assuming, she knows that he is one and that her kids carry that blood. Kind of figures why she accepts it and the tail Gohan had, although the Super Saiyan hair caught her off guard IIRC.

Doesn't everyone pretty much get all their Saiyan education from Vegeta anyway?

[Fox666]

Didn't they told her when they said Goku was dead and Gohan kidnapped? Besides she was there all along while they happened to be talking about the spaceships of the Saiyans and Kami.