Kai vs Z

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Kai vs Z

Post by Nex Carnifex » Sun May 13, 2012 10:55 pm

Does Kai ruin the experience? I'm watching it with my mom.

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Sun May 13, 2012 11:00 pm

Shouldn't this be in the Kai section?
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Post by Insertclevername » Sun May 13, 2012 11:03 pm

Well it does make it harder to watch the longer fights and filler, but not to the point where I can never watch "Z" again. To be honest, I will always like "Z" and prefer it over Kai most of the time, not that Kai sucks or anything, its just that I like watching the original so to speak. Also some of the filler is fun to watch sometimes, like the driving lesson one and even the Goku looking after the egg one is cool. However that is not to say I enjoy the extended Freeza fight or the Garlick Jr. saga.
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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by superrayman3 » Sun May 13, 2012 11:09 pm

DarkPrince_92 wrote:Shouldn't this be in the Kai section?
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Kai section is probaby the best place for this topic.
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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by Nex Carnifex » Sun May 13, 2012 11:23 pm

Did they cut out the scene where frieza impales Kuririn? Someone told me this.

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Post by Gonstead » Sun May 13, 2012 11:46 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:Did they cut out the scene where Freeza impales Kuririn? I think someone said this.
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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by OzzyApu » Mon May 14, 2012 12:16 am

I don't think I can ever watch the regular Z anymore. I watch the Vegeta vs Goku fight from the Saiyan saga and I think man, it's all fight and all cool. Then I remember how I watched it as a kid and I go see the Z episodes of it and it's drawn out beyond belief. So many other character non-sense from non-fighters interrupt, and not just talking about that fight. It's in practically every fight in the series. I get sick of that fast, and the lack of the majority of filler, which was mostly awful or pointless (driving episode), is a plus for Kai.

Even when it comes to the Boo saga, I watch my own self-made "kai" version that the actual saga.

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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by GotenDaisuki » Mon May 14, 2012 12:23 am

Kai is defintely better if you want to finish the series up to Cell quickly. I agree with the fights and the show in general being too drawn out and slow-paced. The Saiya-jin arc was condensed from 35 episodes to a mere 16 for Kai! That's more than a half worth of footage cut out!
Kai is also best to watch in English. The dub's pretty damn good! Unfortunately the music scandal ruined Kai for a lot of people, including myself. Yamamoto's score was also one of the cool things about Kai, but after Part 4 (and it and the ones before it are all discontinued now) you're stuck with horribly-placed Kikuchi music; and a lot of repetitive selections (they did not have a lot to work with).
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Post by Gonstead » Mon May 14, 2012 12:29 am

GotenDaisuki wrote:Kai is defintely better if you want to finish the series up to Cell quickly. I agree with the fights and the show in general being too drawn out and slow-paced. The Saiya-jin arc was condensed from 35 episodes to a mere 16 for Kai! That's more than a half worth of footage cut out!
Kai is also best to watch in English. The dub's pretty damn good! Unfortunately the music scandal ruined Kai for a lot of people, including myself. Yamamoto's score was also one of the cool things about Kai, but after Part 4 (and it and the ones before it are all discontinued now) you're stuck with horribly-placed Kikuchi music; and a lot of repetitive selections (they did not have a lot to work with).
Unless you are like me and the rest of the people who bought the Madman versions which have Part 4 with Kikuchi.

I really need to track down part 4 with Yamamoto.
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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon May 14, 2012 10:41 am

While I do appreciate the idea of cutting-down a fairly bloated, drawn-out anime to a more compressed, streamlined version (I was overjoyed with what they did with the Frieza Saga, they seriously needed to cut that down), I still prefer the original.
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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by Samwize78 » Mon May 14, 2012 5:52 pm

In terms of the dub Kai is superior. In terms of the original Japanese it depends on your preferences. I personally still prefer the original Z over Kai when it comes to this, mostly because I enjoy the filler (for the most part) and the longer scenes give it more feel. If you dislike filler that really doesn't advance the plot or dialogue then Kai is the safer way to go. Though Kai doesn't cover the entirety of Z, so if you plan on continuing you will end up watching the tail end of Z regardless.

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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by dbboxkaifan » Mon May 14, 2012 6:48 pm

Samwize78 wrote:In terms of the dub Kai is superior. In terms of the original Japanese it depends on your preferences. I personally still prefer the original Z over Kai when it comes to this, mostly because I enjoy the filler (for the most part) and the longer scenes give it more feel. If you dislike filler that really doesn't advance the plot or dialogue then Kai is the safer way to go. Though Kai doesn't cover the entirety of Z, so if you plan on continuing you will end up watching the tail end of Z regardless.
It's just my opinion but the Japanese cast is better on the Z anime version than Kai, in Kai they sound worn out and the voice acting isn't that wow as it was on Z, at least for me.
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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by Nex Carnifex » Tue May 15, 2012 4:22 pm

Is there cursing in the english dub of Kai? If so more or less than in the subs?

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Post by Pokewhiz7 » Tue May 15, 2012 4:29 pm

Nex Carnifex wrote:Is there cursing in the english dub of Kai? If so more or less than in the subs?
Yes there is, on the uncut home release. Possibly more, maybe about the same.

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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by Nex Carnifex » Tue May 15, 2012 4:32 pm

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Nex Carnifex wrote:Is there cursing in the english dub of Kai? If so more or less than in the subs?
Yes there is, on the uncut home release. Possibly more, maybe about the same.
What would you say is better Japanese or English? I want the most mature sounding script.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue May 15, 2012 4:35 pm

I can tell you one thing is that there's A LOT of damn.
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Post by Gonstead » Tue May 15, 2012 4:40 pm

A collective of all the cursing in Kai so far.

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Re: Kai vs Z

Post by dbboxkaifan » Tue May 15, 2012 4:45 pm

Gonstead wrote:A collective of all the cursing in Kai so far.

Part's 1 - 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtzXsyiKxes

Part's 4 - 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnaPKXW-ng4
He should also do 7 to 8.

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Post by Nex Carnifex » Tue May 15, 2012 5:14 pm

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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Tue May 15, 2012 7:51 pm

Some of the swearing sounds completely unnatural, especially Schemmel.
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