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shonenhikada
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by shonenhikada » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:26 pm
Why do you think Son Goku ditched Nimbus after the saiyan saga and his power pole ?
Where does the flying Nimbus come from in dragon ball Earth ?
Where did Nimbus and Goku's power pole go after the saiyan saga ?
Both an In-Universe,and Outer-universe answer would be nice.
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My out of universe explanation is that Toriyama wanted to differentiate Goku as much as possible from the monkey king in the second part of dragon ball, and tried to move the story as far as possible from journey of the west.
My In-Universe explanation. Goku got faster than Nimbus and so opted to not use him anymore, and as for his power pole I don't know why he stopped using it.
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by CaptainKatsura » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:48 pm
Nimbus was inherited by Gohan, and power pole now connects Kami's Lookout with Korin's Tower.
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by Kaboom » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:55 pm
We saw less and less of Kinto'Un during the 'Z' portion of the story since, in all honesty, the characters became so strong and fast on their own that most of them could fly circles around it. The last time we saw it was its one or two appearances in the Boo arc being used for convenience by Gohan and Goten. Then, of course, the touching little altered ending with Oob using it.
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by Vice » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:58 pm
Yeah, what Kaboom said. Once all the Z fighters learned how to fly, Nimbus was unnecessary.
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by Herms » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:58 pm
shonenhikada wrote:Where does the flying Nimbus come from in dragon ball Earth ?
They come from the giant Kinto'un that floats around the top of Karin Tower.
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by Hellspawn28 » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:03 pm
I remember Gohan using Nimbus when he was going to High School but that could have been only in the anime (I could be wrong since it been a while since I read the Buu saga)?
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by The Tori-bot » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:34 pm
Hellspawn28 wrote:I remember Gohan using Nimbus when he was going to High School but that could have been only in the anime (I could be wrong since it been a while since I read the Buu saga)?
Nope, that's in the manga.
FWIW, both objects also get a blink-and-you'll-miss-it final curtain call at the very end of
GT.
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by Insertclevername » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:42 pm
CaptainKatsura wrote:... and power pole now connects Kami's Lookout with Karin's Tower.
Wait, really? When did that ever happen?
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by CaptainKatsura » Mon Aug 27, 2012 4:52 pm
Watch original DB series. After defeating Piccolo Daimaou, Goku came to Korin Tower's with his Nyoibo to use to it to connect the tower with Kami's Lookout, since it was the original purpose of the pole, in order to ask Kami to revive Shen Long.
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by Chuquita » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:37 pm
The Tori-bot wrote:Hellspawn28 wrote:I remember Gohan using Nimbus when he was going to High School but that could have been only in the anime (I could be wrong since it been a while since I read the Buu saga)?
Nope, that's in the manga.
FWIW, both objects also get a blink-and-you'll-miss-it final curtain call at the very end of
GT.
I really liked that brief appearance by Kinto'un and nyoi-bo at the end of GT. I do realize that in terms of power, Goku does outgrow at least Kinto'un (I could argue that nyoi-bo being a magical staff/pole could still be useful in battle because I feel its magical properties could keep it from being broken or snapped in two like a regular weapon would be), but I like both Kinto'un and nyoi-bo and I always enjoy seeing him utilize the two.
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by Bussani » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:40 pm
Insertclevername wrote:CaptainKatsura wrote:... and power pole now connects Kami's Lookout with Karin's Tower.
Wait, really? When did that ever happen?
Like CaptainKatsura said, it's how Goku reached Kami's palace for the first time. He appeared to have it with him again at the 23rd tournament, but after that it's commonly, with one or two exceptions, visible connecting the palace and Karin's Tower. If you have the manga, check through it for shots of Kami's palace, and nine times out of ten you'll spot it.
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by CaBrPi » Mon Aug 27, 2012 5:49 pm
You can still see it there through much of Z. I distinctly remember it being there through the Cell saga.
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by Insertclevername » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:40 pm
Bussani wrote:Insertclevername wrote:CaptainKatsura wrote:... and power pole now connects Kami's Lookout with Karin's Tower.
Wait, really? When did that ever happen?
Like CaptainKatsura said, it's how Goku reached Kami's palace for the first time. He appeared to have it with him again at the 23rd tournament, but after that it's commonly, with one or two exceptions, visible connecting the palace and Karin's Tower. If you have the manga, check through it for shots of Kami's palace, and nine times out of ten you'll spot it.
Wow, I never knew that. Now I really have to re watch Dragon Ball!
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by Herms » Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:48 pm
Insertclevername wrote:Wow, I never knew that. Now I really have to re watch Dragon Ball!
If you're not familiar with the Piccolo/23rd TB story arcs then you're definitely missing out.
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by Insertclevername » Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:59 pm
Herms wrote:Insertclevername wrote:Wow, I never knew that. Now I really have to re watch Dragon Ball!
If you're not familiar with the Piccolo/23rd TB story arcs then you're definitely missing out.
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by soulnova » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:18 am
I know weapons give you only a small advantage after Z... but I really liked the idea of Gohan's little sword to become part of his fighting style. Such a pity the idea was discarded when the Saiyans arrived. With Trunks I kinda understand because the sword got -kinda- broken, but c'mon.
What I don't understand is why they didn't took the pole back... is not like they needed it to get to Kami's place anymore.
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by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:27 am
soulnova wrote:What I don't understand is why they didn't took the pole back... is not like they needed it to get to Kami's place anymore.
I think it was needed, or else the temple would not be on Earth, but in the Heavenly Realm in AfterLife. Or something like that.
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by TheDevilsCorpse » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:28 am
soulnova wrote:What I don't understand is why they didn't took the pole back... is not like they needed it to get to Kami's place anymore.
The sanctuary is in another dimension when the Nyoibo isn't connected.
Herms wrote:Yeah, that's from its Daizenshuu 7 locations dictionary entry. Besides the "why can't vehicles get there?" thing, I think it's supposed to explain why throughout the series people talk as if God's temple were part of the afterlife. For instance, the temple is frequently referred to as "the Heavenly Realm", one of the things the afterlife is called. And in contrast to the temple, the Earth's surface is called the "lower realm", which is also what the entire universe is called in contrast to the afterlife. So how can both Earth and Namek be in the lower realm, while this place that's high above Earth but still obviously closer to it than Namek doesn't count as part of the lower realm? So the idea seems to be that it actually is originally located in the afterlife but is dimension-shifted to Earth by the Nyoibo, sort of like the rooms of Babidi's ship can be connected to different planets or points on Earth.
In the Saiyan arc when Goku returns to Earth, he jumps straight down from the temple to Karin Tower, but the Nyoibo can't be seen connecting the two. Maybe it's supposed to just be too thin to be seen here (although it's clearly shown in other scenes where this would apply at least as much), or maybe it's left out as a mistake. After all, where would the Nyoibo be at this point, if not connecting the two? Unless they took it down to try and keep the temple safe from the Saiyans, although that would be pretty pointless unless the Nyoibo's absence really did magically prevent people from reaching there. Maybe without the Nyoibo you can go from the temple to Karin Tower, but not from Karin Tower to the temple? Well, whatever.
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