What does Dragonball mean to you?

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What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by samuraix123 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:33 pm

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What does Dragonball mean to you? has it taught you anything?
Dragonball to me is just magical, that's really the only word I could use to describe it. in my opinion Dragonball isn't just a kids show. it's part of my childhood. as lame as this may sound.
I never really had a father figure in my life. and growing up seeing Goku and everyone teaching right from wrong and to always stand up no matter how rough life can be just makes me happy. and I always looked up to the characters.
the way the characters interact with each other almost makes you think for a second that these are real people, and this is a real world. I don't think I'll ever stop watching Dragonball. How do you guys feel?
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:54 pm

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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by penguintruth » Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:55 pm

samuraix123 wrote:seeing Goku and everyone teaching right from wrong
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Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by BobZ » Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:43 pm

I pretty much feel the same way. :)

I've recently rewatched Kai and read the manga through VizBig Volume 7 (I am in the process of collecting it) and I have to say I am pretty darn amazed at how the whole thing has such a firm grip on me. I mean, I'm 24 and have a job and I've seen Dragon Ball in its entirety dozens of times, and yet recently when watching Kai and even just reading the manga I'd get emotional about the development of the plot and the characters' relationships.

Yes, it truly is magical and it will always have a special place in my heart, as cheesy and sassy as this may sound. :)

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by Cipher » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:12 pm

Goku teaches everybody right from wrong?

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:14 pm

What Goku & co. learned to me is to never give up. I'm trying to follow this in my life as much as I can.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by samuraix123 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:14 pm

Cipher wrote:Goku teaches everybody right from wrong?
Yeah? he thinks it's wrong for people to try and hurt others. so i mean in a sense he is teaching the kids at home, to be good and don't cause others pain and suffering and to stick up for your friends. at-least that's what I took from watching the series.

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by penguintruth » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:27 pm

samuraix123 wrote:he is teaching the kids at home, to be good and don't cause others pain
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Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by samuraix123 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:30 pm

What is wrong with you? Why are you taking everything I say and hosting an image to it? Yeah sure Goku fights with vegeta and they beat each other all to hell. but was it Goku's fault Vegeta's selfish pride wanted to fight him?
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Post by VegettoEX » Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:44 pm

penguintruth, you're on thin ice as it is. An image by itself is not an appropriate response.
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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by JulieYBM » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:23 pm

The writing of Dragon Ball has taught me that one shouldn't sweat too much. Relax, don't overwork yourself unless you're in the zone or else you'll have writing.

Not very in-universe. :oops:

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by Cipher » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:33 pm

samuraix123 wrote:Yeah? he thinks it's wrong for people to try and hurt others. so i mean in a sense he is teaching the kids at home, to be good and don't cause others pain and suffering and to stick up for your friends. at-least that's what I took from watching the series.
Don't worry; I was kidding you, but only kind of. On the surface (and beneath it), he's a total happy-go-lucky character who wants to stand up to bad guys and believes in the good in people.

It's just that his other major character trait is regularly prioritizing his love of fighting over the safety or convenience of his friends or family. Doing things like letting dangerous villains go just so he can have a rematch, volunteering to not stop the androids before they arrive, electing to remain in the afterlife so he could fight old experts when they had a way for him to return to life, etc.

It's not even reading (or viewing) against the grain. It's what makes the main characters' interactions with actual concerned citizens like Trunks or Kaioshin amusing.

So, yeah, he's a pure-hearted do-gooder. It's just that he's as amoral as pure-hearted do-gooders come.

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by penguintruth » Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:53 pm

VegettoEX wrote:penguintruth, you're on thin ice as it is. An image by itself is not an appropriate response.
Typical. Even if I try to play nice I get in trouble.

My (incredibly obvious) point was that DB/Z is not a good show to get moral lessons from. The main character and his allies regularly put innocent people at risk for capricious reasons, usually to feed their own destructive passions. Any morality to be gleaned from it usually comes from the terribly inaccurate English dub which couldn't stop spouting its tired moral platitudes for five minutes.

It's a show about a guy who enjoys beating people to a pulp. That's his greatest joy in life.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.


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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by dbboxkaifan » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:15 pm

The wonderful music produced by Shunsuke Kikuchi and the others too.

I enjoyed the show as a kid but after watching so many times during the years, it's gotten repetitive and there's simply better series out there than Dragon Ball (DB/Z/GT). DB fans can disagree it's not a prob. =P
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Post by Cipher » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:21 pm

penguintruth wrote:Any morality to be gleaned from it usually comes from the terribly inaccurate English dub which couldn't stop spouting its tired moral platitudes for five minutes.
I know this is your gimmick, but that just isn't true, and you know it. The characters are definitely more amoral than others of their archetype, but not to the extent you're saying.
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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by DHM211 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:36 pm

Vegeta taught me to never to give up.
Goku taught me to always see the better in people.
Chi-Chi taught me how to educate my child(when I have one).
Cell taught me to always try to be perfect.
Frieza taught me how to enjoy a good cup of wine.
Yamcha taught me even if I lose at everything in life I'll still have a girlfriend.
Mr.POPO taught me how to scare,rape and murder people.

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Post by Insertclevername » Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:40 pm

DHM211 wrote: Yamcha taught me even if I lose at everything in life I'll still have a girlfriend.
Umm... About that..

Anyway, Dragon Ball, to me, shows me how much an author can take influences around him and consistently evolve his story, without feeling jarring and forced.
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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by samuraix123 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:44 pm

Haha I loved your post DHM211 :) Also penguintruth I don't hold nothing against you it was just odd looking at pictures and not seeing an explanation behind them. but I'm glad to hear what everyone thinks about the franchise and can't wait to read more from other folks :D
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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by DHM211 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 11:48 pm

samuraix123 wrote:Haha I loved your post DHM211 :)
Why thank you. :mrgreen:

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Re: What does Dragonball mean to you?

Post by DarkPrince_92 » Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:09 am

  • Dragon Ball taught me to continually strive to better oneself.
    Keep those close to you as close as possible.
    You can find the good in some of the most malicious people.
    No matter hoe grim a situation gets, keep on your A game.
    Oh, and you can eat as much as you want as long as you work out....
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