Ultimate Gohan not in GT and possibly Battle of Gods?

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

So, it appears Ultimate Gohan might not be in Battle of Gods movie coming up, since they've shown him as SSJ being advertised on posters and such. Could be wrong. But, anyway, I just wanted to say, that, I don't think it's so hard to believe that Gohan "lost" his ultimate powers sometime after Buu; wasn't his Ultimate form considered to be "unnatural"? The Elder Kai didn't unlock hidden powers, but expanded them; almost like, perhaps, it was a temporary, magical ability, like Ba-Bidi's Majin spell or Fusion Dance. Not sure why people criticize that in GT.

[dprez]

Gohan was set apart from the rest of the saiyans that way, in power and appearance, and I loved it. It's kind of a shame he's just another super saiyan again...

I'm sure they'll make him inferior to Goku in Battle of Gods, which I wouldn't like at all. O well, it's obviously still kick-ass we're getting new Dragon Ball, and this little inconsistency doesn't diminish the movie at all IMO.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Considering Toriyama thought 18 had purple hair I'm gonna assume he just forgot. However one could assume that Gohan trained a little bit which gave his Ultimate form a SSJ pigment. I say this because this form does utilize his SSJ form to unlock his powers. Maybe increasing his power takes the ultimate form and surpasses it giving him a SSJ pigment.

[Majin Steve]

"He lost it cus he began reading books all day" is good enough for me.

[Legendary Saiya-Jin]

Considering Toriyama thought 18 had purple hair I'm gonna assume he just forgot. However one could assume that Gohan trained a little bit which gave his Ultimate form a SSJ pigment. I say this because this form does utilize his SSJ form to unlock his powers. Maybe increasing his power takes the ultimate form and surpasses it giving him a SSJ pigment.

It would have been cool if Gohan kept his blue eyes like in the anime with black hair; or perhaps, his light-irises in the manga (if I'm remembering correctly) with the occasional electric aura when he was yelling at the Elder Kai.

[Kaboom]

I am withholding all judgment and theories until I actually find out what happens in Battle of Gods.

[Rocketman]

It's not that people disbelieve he could lose the Mystic powerup, it's that taking it away, much like explicitly shooting down Gotenks, was so obviously done so nothing could threaten ~*~*GOKUUUU*~*~

[Saiga]

People criticize it in GT because GT provides absolutely no explanation for it which is completely unjustifiable. Giving an explanation would be a whole lot better, yet it would still be terrible, because:

1) It was never implied to be temporary in the manga and reeks of retcon

2) It was a unique form that set Gohan apart so it's sad to see it go

3) It's just done for the shallow reason of making Goku the best EVAR

[Marco Polo]

Gohan was set apart from the rest of the saiyans that way, in power and appearance, and I loved it. It's kind of a shame he's just another super saiyan again...

This. Ultimate Gohan looked amazing. His hair was black like a base Saiyan but it was very straight and sharp like an SSJ, not like a base Saiyan. So he didn't look like Goku and looked very distinctive in the Turtle School gi. And everyone had transformations, fusions and whatnot but Gohan didn't. The fact he didn't transform was his signature.

Now, with SSJ, he's just Goku with short hair.

[Hellspawn28]

"He lost it cus he began reading books all day" is good enough for me.

The Perfect Files state he still train after Goku left with Ubb though. I seen people say that he stop after Buu and went back after Goku left.

[Blade]

I think a bigger continuity error would be if Gohan was underpowered in Battle of Gods as opposed to if he was a Super Saiyan or not. I think GT would make a lot more sense if his (and everyone elses) power wasn't so hugely weakened in the contrast to Goku.

At the end of Z I think it's fair to assume the strength of the Z fighters descends in the following order:

1) Goku as a Super Saiyan 3
2) 'Ultimate' Gohan
3) Gotenks as a Super Saiyan 3
4) Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 2 OR Majin Buu (purely based on the latter's greater endurance and ability to put up a fight much longer during the fight with Kid Buu)


I suspect, however, that as with Dragonball GT all of this will be thrown out of the window and we will see something that makes little sense such as:

1) Goku as whatever level the plot calls for
2) Vegeta as whatever level the plot calls for
3) Everyone else depending on what the plot calls for

[Saiga]

I'd put Goku after Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks, personally. But going by the anime, Goku would be on top.

[Dorexx]

It's amazing how many times this subject comes up. Maybe Gohan simply forgot how to power up/use/access that power? Remember when he was blasting Buu's shell before Buu hatched? He sort of prayed for his old power (that killed Cell) to come back or to remember how to use it. Same thing here. "Damn! I forgot how to use that power! No time to remember, better do the next best thing! *goes SSJ*

[DBZAOTA482]

Gohan was set apart from the rest of the saiyans that way, in power and appearance, and I loved it. It's kind of a shame he's just another super saiyan again...

I'm sure they'll make him inferior to Goku in Battle of Gods, which I wouldn't like at all. O well, it's obviously still kick-ass we're getting new Dragon Ball, and this little inconsistency doesn't diminish the movie at all IMO.

Gohan's powers weren't what made him special, it was his purity while harnessing extraordinary powers. He was humble and respectful (albeit nerdy), not arrogant and vengeful. That's why Mystic Gohan sucks the mighty shenlong.

[InfernalVegito]

Yeah it's just whenever he is in charge of being the strongest, he becomes arrogant and careless and wants to show off. Both when he fucked it up against Cell and again against Super Boo.

[DBZAOTA482]

Yeah it's just whenever he is in charge of being the strongest, he becomes arrogant and careless and wants to show off. Both when he fucked it up against Cell and again against Super Boo.

The Cell situation I can get around because his mental state wasn't stable just like Goku when he first became Super Saiyan. Once the situation got seriously out of hand and ultimately his father's death, Gohan was temporarily that scared little boy before Piccolo trained him until his daddy guided him. He had a lot to learn.

Mystic Gohan was much older, was sane, and should have wised up from his mistake.

[Dabooyaka]

Gohan loosing the "Ultimate power up" to me just doesn't work. Even Piccolo commented on how Gohan's ki had been rearranged or something. It doesn't sound like something that would just go away due to him not training.
The movies shows Super Saiyan 3 Goku being stopped by a finger. We see Gohan getting smashed against Boo's head. It seems that Gohan was able to put up some kind of fight, while Ssj3 Goku was stopped with a finger.
Ultimate Super Saiyan Gohan might actually be in the movie. Either way you look at it, it scream plothole to me. That doesn't change the fact that the movie will be awesome, there is a lot more to Dragonball than who is stronger than who, or power levels.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The movies shows Super Saiyan 3 Goku being stopped by a finger.

Birusu's finger doesn't touch Goku. It seems more like Goku stops himself, or Birusu paralyzes with psychic powers. We will have to wait for the movie and see what really happens.

[Marco Polo]

Yeah it's just whenever he is in charge of being the strongest, he becomes arrogant and careless and wants to show off. Both when he fucked it up against Cell and again against Super Boo.

The Cell situation I can get around because his mental state wasn't stable just like Goku when he first became Super Saiyan. Once the situation got seriously out of hand and ultimately his father's death, Gohan was temporarily that scared little boy before Piccolo trained him until his daddy guided him. He had a lot to learn.

Not to mention he was 10.

[DanTheBib]

At the end of Z I think it's fair to assume the strength of the Z fighters descends in the following order:

1) Goku as a Super Saiyan 3
2) 'Ultimate' Gohan
3) Gotenks as a Super Saiyan 3
4) Vegeta as a Super Saiyan 2 OR Majin Buu (purely based on the latter's greater endurance and ability to put up a fight much longer during the fight with Kid Buu)

I disagree. I think it should read:

1) "Ultimate" Gohan
2) SSJ3 Gotenks
3) SSJ3 Goku

Because of the version of Super Buu Gohan fights, I'd say it's obvious he's much stronger than Goku at SSJ3, as well as SSJ3 Gotenks.

As for Ultimate Gohan not being in the movie, I can't see it being because he can go SSJ on top of that form (as that would make him insanely strong). Lack of training? Maybe. Forgot? I'm not so sure. SSJ states seem to be a "once you've got them, you know it" sort of thing.

Maybe it wore off? It's a bit of a cop-out, but if they address it in the movie (which I find unlikely), I can't see them giving some massive detailed explanation, so "it wore off" would do me.