Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

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Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:22 pm

In the future time line; why didn't they just use them to wish everyone killed back, or at least Pikkoro/ Kami right after they were killed by the androids? Even if Porunga couldn't have wished back people already revived before, they could have at least used it to wish back some building and civilian damage and deaths before their one year was up.

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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by Ookalf » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:31 pm

Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:In the future time line; why didn't they just use them to wish everyone killed back, or at least Pikkoro/ Kami right after they were killed by the androids? Even if Porunga couldn't have wished back people already revived before, they could have at least used it to wish back some building and civilian damage and deaths before their one year was up.
Would they have known where New Namek was in that timeline? I mean, in the timeline we follow, Goku needed to teleport to Kaio's planet and get his help to find it, and I doubt Trunks and Bulma would have been able to contact him that easily.

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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by soulnova » Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:56 pm

I guess that Kaio-sama could have at least told Gohan and Bulma the location of the new planet. But still, it doesn't seem like Bulma had the resources to build the space ship. Her lab seemed quite small and hidden underground.

Mirai Trunks might have asked Kami!Dende about its location in the main timeline when he was hanging out at the Lookout, and now that he's back home without the concerns of the Androids and Cell, there might be the possibility of going to New Namek and bring Mirai!Dende to be the new Kami and reactivate their dragonballs. The problem here is that I don't know if anyone would be actually revived... most of them have been already dead for too long (vegeta most likely got his soul washed and reincarnated by now), even if Porunga is more powerful bringing back one single person... the most recent one would be Miari!Gohan. I would really like that. They would be almost the same age by then.
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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by Rocketman » Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:04 pm

soulnova wrote:I guess that Kaio-sama could have at least told Gohan and Bulma the location of the new planet.
Why? That's not his job.

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Post by Edward Newgate » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:03 pm

^
Why not? He has helped them several times until then, why not help with that?

Anyway, even if it wasn't his job, Goku and co. could ask him. I'm sure they could contact Kaiou if they really wanted to, but for some reason they didn't. So yeah, it doesn't really make sense.

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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by Rocketman » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:09 pm

Edward Newgate wrote:^
Why not? He has helped them several times until then, why not help with that?
Because he's a god and he's not supposed to take sides in the lower world. All his previous contact was either with/for the sake of his students or with the God of Earth.

Namek isn't in his jurisdiction anyways.

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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by soulnova » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:11 pm

Now I'm guessing that maybe Mirai Goku wasn't allowed to keep his body. Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that the ones to keep it where heroes that died trying to save their world. In this timeline he died of an illness... maybe he didn't have a direct line to Kaio?

Anyway, there could have been other ways to help with Uranai Baba's assistance, but for all we know she might have kicked the bucket with the Androids too. Who knows. :think:
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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:14 pm

Legendary Saiya-Jin wrote:In the future time line; why didn't they just use them to wish everyone killed back, or at least Pikkoro/ Kami right after they were killed by the androids? Even if Porunga couldn't have wished back people already revived before, they could have at least used it to wish back some building and civilian damage and deaths before their one year was up.
They didn't know the location, and Kaio shouldn't help them, for the same reason Kami didn't help with the Daimao.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by TheMightyOzaru » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:36 pm

A lack of knowing where New Namek was would certainly hinder them. Not sure why Gohan doesn't just talk to Kaio Sama and get him to tell Trunks were new Namek is. It could also possibly be the lack of technology. Making something that fast with no blueprints and a lack of material thanks to the androids would certainly hinder any hope of getting to New Namek.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Tue Jan 29, 2013 6:39 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:Not sure why Gohan doesn't just talk to Kaio Sama
How would Gohan communicate with Kaio?
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Post by Rocketman » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:11 pm

TheMightyOzaru wrote:A lack of knowing where New Namek was would certainly hinder them. Not sure why Gohan doesn't just talk to Kaio Sama and get him to tell Trunks were new Namek is.
Why should he?

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Post by Gonstead » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:16 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
TheMightyOzaru wrote:Not sure why Gohan doesn't just talk to Kaio Sama
How would Gohan communicate with Kaio?
I think he meant when Gohan was dead and Trunks is the only one left.

I subscribe to the "We are not allowed to mess with the mortal realm" explanation.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:42 pm

That would take them YEARS!! to get to New Namek.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by Ringworm128 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:05 am

I've always thought this was the best answer for the debate.
Lee Laughead wrote: In Future Trunks' timeline, with almost everyone dead and the Dragonballs gone, why didn't they just hop over to Namek and use their DBs to fix things up? Were the Nameks supposedly all on Earth when the Androids attacked? Or did Bulma forget how to make a faster-than-light spaceship?
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Post by matt0044 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:22 pm

ringworm128 wrote:I've always thought this was the best answer for the debate.
Lee Laughead wrote: In Future Trunks' timeline, with almost everyone dead and the Dragonballs gone, why didn't they just hop over to Namek and use their DBs to fix things up? Were the Nameks supposedly all on Earth when the Androids attacked? Or did Bulma forget how to make a faster-than-light spaceship?
VegettoEX wrote: That would defeat the purpose of telling the entire rest of the story. ^_~
Bulma's dad made the spaceship actually and she could barely round up the materials for the time machine. They're lucky it worked at all. Furthermore, New Namek is unknown in that timeline since events in the Cell saga had prompted Goku to find out. Speaking of Goku, nobody else knows IT so they can't get to Kaio in the afterlife. Either way you slice it, it was simply impossible to get to New Namek.

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Post by soulnova » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:58 pm

Matt004, you might be unto something.

I seem to remember that the capsule corp building and West City were in shambles. Everything points out that the city was attacked by 17 and 18. Given the importance of West City, I wouldn't be surprised it was one of their first targets.

Vegeta's Spaceship is Anime canon only (Vegeta was never shown to leave Earth during that year in the manga) and was most likely destroyed because it was right there in the open... also, the building itself seems like it was damaged so most likely Mr.Brief and his wife died during the attack. While Bulma was able to get Kami's ship fixed and adapted for them, she had made a clear that, even for her father, building a spaceship from scratch able to travel distances like the saiyan's pods was almost impossible.

Maybe they did got the info... but without the previous resources of Capsule Corp, not even Bulma could build the damn ship while trying to survive with Trunks.
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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by Lupin879 » Thu Sep 15, 2016 4:40 am

Cooler destroyed them
the travel to Namek is not necessary because King Kaio can contact them with the telepathy

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Post by floofychan333 » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:58 pm

The only logical explanation is that they didn't know where New Namek was. Since Bulma and Dr Brief are literally the smartest people in the world then I'm sure they'd be able to find it, so therefore the android apocalypse was easily avoidable and this is one thing that still bugs me because it was never explained and I guess Akira Toriyama just forgot about New Namek and got away with it like he always does.
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Post by Lupin879 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:47 am

But there is King Kaioh or Black appeared soon after .

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Re: Why didn't they just use Namek Dragonballs?

Post by nickzambuto » Mon Sep 19, 2016 1:41 pm

The explanation that Kaio won't go out of his way to save a single world when he's in charge of an entire galaxy makes sense. If we think about it, he never actually went out of his way to help Goku either. He trained Goku only after Goku sought him out, and helped Goku against Freeza because Freeza was a threat to the whole galaxy.

Still, Goku was his student and friend so this theory that he didn't even think about Goku's son and world being ravaged kind of requires Kaio to be more of an asshole than we thought...

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