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Post by GS7X7 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:08 am

I'm just curious but why doesn't Goku ever show any interest in women?

When he first meets Bulma he has no reaction to her. Later, when he meets a cute young girl around his age in a bikini outfit (Chi Chi) he still shows no interest. Sure he was a lil' kid back then, but going through puberty didn't change that.

He shows no interest in Snake Princess. Even though him and Chi-Chi have two kids he still never really develops any interest in women. Did he suffer brain damage when he was hit as a kid and become asexual or something?
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Post by JulieYBM » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:12 am

Well, he could've been God, but instead he got married. Popo could have fed Gokuu, so obviously wanted what only Chichi could offer for dessert.
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Post by penguintruth » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:16 am

Because all the ones he's fought suck at fighting.
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Post by eledoremassis02 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:18 am

I just assumed it was part of his child-like personality...which was a result of hitting his head..

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Post by Chuquita » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:19 am

Goku's got that "pure-hearted shounen manga hero" trope thing going on; you see it in Luffy from One Piece too. Their true love is the thing they have passion for; and Goku's is his martial arts training.

He cares about Chi-Chi, sure, but in that Goku way of his that seems different when you look at how Gohan cares about Videl. Goku's just a very unique case.

Also, could you really picture Goku trying to hit on someone? It'd be so surreal. I feel like he wouldn't even flirt like an adult, it'd probably be like that little kid's way of flirting where he'd just bug the person he likes (probably to spar with him or something).
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Post by Sun-Wukong » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:25 am

Chuquita wrote:I feel like he wouldn't even flirt like an adult, it'd probably be like that little kid's way of flirting where he'd just bug the person he likes (probably to spar with him or something).
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Post by GS7X7 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:26 am

Yeah, Luffy is a lot like Goku, he's pretty dumb too, lol.

Beet the Vandel Buster's like them two, but he does at least show interest in his female friend throughout the series, Poala.


I guess the best explanation is that in many ways they're like grown-up children basically.
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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:48 pm

When he was a kid, he had just discovered women, and he was only 12 years old, so I guess it was normal that he was asexual at that time. He couldn't even tell the gender of a person without touching them "there". But after the 23rd TB, Chi Chi taught him the tricks... :wink:

I'm sure that Goku loves Chi Chi. By the time he grew up, he knew what Kame-sennin & Rou Kaioshin liked in women, and remember when that scene of Goku & Chi Chi after Goku woke up from his heart decease. Not to mention that they had two children together.
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Post by MCDaveG » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:51 pm

because it's shonen for 8-12 years old, when as a boy, you're interested more into graphic violence and fighting than into real-life girls, who are dumb, silly and boring.
And those fantasies at this time, involving women, don't have a place in the genre either.

I can imagine, how half the DB fans is so much into the series, that they will actually want Latin American telenovel version of it.
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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:03 pm

It really just comes down to Toriyama not wanting to write romance.

Also, while Goku and Chichi might have gotten married, I was never fond of that coupling. For one, he married her because he made a promise even though he didn't know what that meant at the time, and secondly Chichi's idea of love came from magazines or TV. It's all played for humor. For crying out loud, he touches her crotch and that's when she "knew". It seems to me that she's more in love with the idea of being in love than actually being in love with Goku.

I think Suno would've made more sense as a mate for Goku than Chichi.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:53 pm

DBZGTKOSDH wrote:When he was a kid, he had just discovered women, and he was only 12 years old, so I guess it was normal that he was asexual at that time. He couldn't even tell the gender of a person without touching them "there". But after the 23rd TB, Chi Chi taught him the tricks... :wink:

I'm sure that Goku loves Chi Chi. By the time he grew up, he knew what Kame-sennin & Rou Kaioshin liked in women, and remember when that scene of Goku & Chi Chi after Goku woke up from his heart decease. Not to mention that they had two children together.
Not a good testament of their relationship. A good one would be Goku being livid over Super Boo killing Chi-Chi in the manga.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:28 pm

ABED wrote:It really just comes down to Toriyama not wanting to write romance.
This is the biggest real world answer really. Toriyama just can't really write romance apparently, based on some of his other stuff he's done too. Slump didn't really have any good examples of it from what I've read. The closest thing to an actually sweet and romantic moment I can think of was in Jiya, and while Toriyama did the story there, I'm fairly sure that moment was probably suggested by Katsura (who acted as artist) since that's much more his style.

As far as Goku being interested in women or sexuality goes though...I dunno. I agree that it's weird and hilarious to think of him as hitting on someone, but I would think that after Gohan (which I assume Chi Chi had to trick or convince him how to get that far in the first place), he had to know what sex was. And he probably even liked it...but it's not the focal point of his lifestyle. Fighting is (followed by eating). So after he's done with both of those two, then he'd have time for all that other 'normal' stuff that everyone else does...or something.
Also, while Goku and Chichi might have gotten married, I was never fond of that coupling. ... I think Suno would've made more sense as a mate for Goku than Chichi.
I've long kind of thought the same thing. I'd have been curious to see how that would have worked, or even Goku and Bulma. I don't know if either could have put up with Goku's antics as well as Chi Chi though, so who knows.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:47 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:As far as Goku being interested in women or sexuality goes though...I dunno. I agree that it's weird and hilarious to think of him as hitting on someone, but I would think that after Gohan (which I assume Chi Chi had to trick or convince him how to get that far in the first place), he had to know what sex was. And he probably even liked it...but it's not the focal point of his lifestyle. Fighting is (followed by eating). So after he's done with both of those two, then he'd have time for all that other 'normal' stuff that everyone else does...or something.
I think Goku would know what sex is beforehand. It's a primal instinct and Saiyans are apes, aren't they?
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:00 pm

Does Chichi really put up with Goku's antics? If Bulma can get past Vegeta destroying countless civilization, I think she could get past Goku's quirks.

Even if Goku sees his first woman when he was 12, I find it hard to believe he wouldn't have physically attracted to any one of them. I chalk this up to Toriyama's aversion to writing romance and Goku's asexuality as a source of humor, much like Sheldon's on The Big Bang Theory.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:02 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:I think Goku would know what sex is beforehand. It's a primal instinct and Saiyans are apes, aren't they?
True, I'm sure he'd kind of know what it was on some instinctual level, but it'd be like a child's understanding of it. Or rather, a young male who's just discovering those erm, 'feelings'. That'd fit Goku's thoughts on it, especially at first, I'd think.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:21 pm

ABED wrote:Does Chichi really put up with Goku's antics? If Bulma can get past Vegeta destroying countless civilization, I think she could get past Goku's quirks.
Bulma isn't exactly the deepest person ever Pre-Artificial Human Saga. Besides, Vegeta didn't kill anyone on Earth only Nappa did and his "bad boy" attitude is the reason she got down n' dirty with him in the first place (same case with Yamcha) plus unlike Goku, he's steadfast.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:
ABED wrote:Does Chichi really put up with Goku's antics? If Bulma can get past Vegeta destroying countless civilization, I think she could get past Goku's quirks.
Bulma isn't exactly the deepest person ever Pre-Artificial Human Saga. Besides, Vegeta didn't kill anyone on Earth only Nappa did and his "bad boy" attitude is the reason she got down n' dirty with him in the first place (same case with Yamcha) plus unlike Goku, he's steadfast.
That's like saying Charles Manson didn't kill anyone. True but irrelevant. Vegeta was the man pulling the strings and was trying to kill everyone but failed due to our heroes. Vegeta's death tole probably puts Mao and Stalin's to shame. I'm not sure what you mean by steadfast in this context.
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Post by Eire » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:31 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Gyt Kaliba wrote:As far as Goku being interested in women or sexuality goes though...I dunno. I agree that it's weird and hilarious to think of him as hitting on someone, but I would think that after Gohan (which I assume Chi Chi had to trick or convince him how to get that far in the first place), he had to know what sex was. And he probably even liked it...but it's not the focal point of his lifestyle. Fighting is (followed by eating). So after he's done with both of those two, then he'd have time for all that other 'normal' stuff that everyone else does...or something.
I think Goku would know what sex is beforehand. It's a primal instinct and Saiyans are apes, aren't they?
No, they are not. They are aliens with unknown biology. Human woman are a bit different species after all, so it's quite possible that they had problems with sexual instinct.
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Post by Legendary Saiya-Jin » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:36 pm

Even before Gokuu was retconned as an alien?

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Post by ABED » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:40 pm

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Gyt Kaliba wrote:As far as Goku being interested in women or sexuality goes though...I dunno. I agree that it's weird and hilarious to think of him as hitting on someone, but I would think that after Gohan (which I assume Chi Chi had to trick or convince him how to get that far in the first place), he had to know what sex was. And he probably even liked it...but it's not the focal point of his lifestyle. Fighting is (followed by eating). So after he's done with both of those two, then he'd have time for all that other 'normal' stuff that everyone else does...or something.
I think Goku would know what sex is beforehand. It's a primal instinct and Saiyans are apes, aren't they?
No, they are not. They are aliens with unknown biology. Human woman are a bit different species after all, so it's quite possible that they had problems with sexual instinct.
They are very close to apes or monkeys. They are clearly humanoid, so for whatever biological differences there are between Earthlings and Saiyans, clearly they are similar enough to mate. Not only can they mate but their offspring can as well. If I remember correctly, horses and zebras can have half-breed offspring, but those offspring are infertile.
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