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Fusion Voices

Post by alakazam^ » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:20 pm

What do you think about Toei's decision on giving dual voices to Gotenks, Vegetto and Gogeta but not Kibitokaioushin and Old Kaioushin? Should they have been consistent and give all of them dual voices even if it would be awkward when Gohan breaks the Z Sword and releases the Old Kaioushin?

Also, do you like the way the seiyuu handled the synchronizing acting? I'm talking about the Japanese cast, mainly.

I'm rewatching the Boo arc and noticed that Masako Nozawa and Takeshi Kusao are pretty much synched but Masako Nozawa and Ryou Horikawa not that much (and Horikawa talks too low).

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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:44 pm

For consistency's sake, I do kind of wish that they'd had everyone have the fused voice like they should - but I can kind of see why it would have ruined the twist that Old Kai was actually a fused being. For Kibito Kai at least though, they should have done it since we already knew what a fused voice sounded like by that point, as well as knowing that what was happening was a fusion.

As far as the synchronization goes, I do remember Kusao and Nozawa doing better at it than Nozawa and Horikawa did. I'm assuming for the Japanese version, since they all recorded together, they just kind of both spoke at the same time in the hopes of hitting it all the same way, right? Though I'd guess they gave it quite a few takes to get it just right. For the dub though, they would have recorded one person first, and then the other person had to act in the same way the first person did to get it to match, and then the ADR engineer would overlay the tracks in the mix, or however that works. That kind of precision probably works to the fusion's benefit more so than how the Japanese may have done it. I'm just guessing on this part though.
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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by alakazam^ » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:56 pm

Yes, they spoke at the same time in the Japanese version. I think Kusao said in an interview that Nozawa insisted on him being the "leader" voice and she would just follow.

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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by MCDaveG » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:36 pm

When I first heard in TV how they are speaking, Goten and Trunks in unison, I instantly fell in love with this!
And later Goku and Vegeta. It sounded to me so cool and in logic at the same time as I was a kid!
Being it one new actor, or Goku, Goten or Trunks only speaking, it won't be that spectacular.
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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by DBZ Mick » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:39 pm

I thought it was cool idea. My friends and I always tried to do it. Probably another 'fanon' thing but I heard Toriyama came up with the idea?
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Post by Rod » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:10 am

DBZ Mick wrote:I thought it was cool idea. My friends and I always tried to do it. Probably another 'fanon' thing but I heard Toriyama came up with the idea?
Actually, I think I just read that somewhere on the main site, I think on the Toriyama's contributions to the anime

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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by Herms » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:20 am

Yes, Toriyama did indeed come up with the "double voice" idea, as mentioned in Daizenshuu 5. I don't think there's any official word on why they didn't apply the idea to the Kaioshin/Kibito fusion, but in the Elder Kaioshin's case the anime staff presumably had no way of knowing when they cast the character that Toriyama would later randomly decide that he was a fused character.
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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by CaBrPi » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:33 am

I think that, with Kibitoshin, you could explain it as being caused by Kaioshin being so dominant over Kibito.

I mean, think about, both Gotenks and Gogeta are Metamoran-style fusions, so they have to be roughly equal. With Vegetto, Vegeta and Goku were pretty equal in base form when they fused (at least, Goku seemed to think they were equal enough to perform the Metamoran-style fusion). Kaioshin was (presumably) much stronger than Kibito, not to mention Kibito would probably be submissive even without the power difference, just due to his personality.

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Re: Fusion Voices

Post by ForestEquilibrium » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:43 am

The funny thing is, as someone who grew up with the Westwood/Ocean dub, I was under the impression it was an unsung rule that Potara fusions only gave the character one voice while the Metamoran fusion gave two, as even Vegetto only had one voice in that version (that being Brian Drummond doing an interesting Kirby Morrow imitation), it wasn't until I heard Funi and Japanese versions that I realized he was supposed to have two voices, especially after just finding out from you guys it was Toriyama's idea.

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