Broli the Legendary Super Saiyan God

[DNA]

*Flame Shield On*
Right guys, let’s lay it down right here. I know Broli has been overused, I know many of you hate Broli. Everyone knows it, at this point even my grandma knows it, so can it. I grow sicker of people complaining about Broli than the actual overuse of him.
This is simply a study and accompanying theories about the character and the legend.

The Saiyan Race
The Saiyans are a warrior race, everyone knows that. Their whole society functions based on that, in which warriors with higher battle prowess or “power level” being regarded has higher castes. But it is still governed by a royal family.
In a way, they function in a similar way to Spartans, a renowned warrior city-state from ancient Greece. Their patron god was Ares, the God of War.

Daizenshuu states that if there was a “kami” or patron deity for the Saiyans, it would be the Legendary Super Saiyan. (citation needed)

The Legendary Super Saiyan
Broli is the only Legendary Super Saiyan we are presented to. He was born with an abnormally high power level and with potential of growth. He is shown to be able to survive events that would otherwise kill lesser Saiyans such as the destruction of Planet Vegeta; he encapsulated himself and his father in a ki bubble whilst still being a baby. Later in his adult life, Goku, powered up with his friends power, punched him in the gut and pierced it believing this would kill him, but he not only survived that, he also crash landed on Earth and survived being cryogenically frozen.
Then, whilst fighting against Gohan, he survives being fully submerged in magma by once again rising a ki bubble. Later he his shot to the sun and we see his chest bursting which would be his end. Or is it..?

Vegeta has a nervous breakdown when he witnesses Broli’s full power, which as Paragus explains, has to do with a pure Saiyan subconsciously recognizing the awesome presence of the Legendary Super Saiyan. The only person who reacts this way to a plain Super Saiyan is Freeza, but this is understandable since he was personally defeated and humiliated by one, and even then he quickly shakes it off. No one ever overreacts to a Super Saiyan transformation. Vegeta was psychically shaken and was truly terrified to the point of being unable to react. This leads me to believe that this truly is a figure of high respect for a Saiyan down to the very core of their beings.

God Status?
Broli has also been called “The God of Destruction”, but is he? Not really, he enjoys destruction but I wouldn’t call him the god of it. Now we know that the true God of Destruction is in fact Bills, whose sole purpose of existence is to oversee the destruction of planets and galaxies throughout the universe when the need for it arises. So if the Legendary Super Saiyan truly had a place in the Dragon Ball pantheon it would be the same as Ares, as a god of war, or more specifically battle.
The Saiyans love battle more than war; what I mean is, they value one on one combat more than an all out war. And honestly Broli seems to enjoy battle far more than the actual destruction. So again, the deity of a race who loves battle would obviously be the God of Battle.

Saiya Power
Later on, Baby rants about how the Saiyans are imbued with “Saiya Power”, a unique ki signature. Toyble, a fan artist, interprets this as been a kind of light power, in his fan manga Dragon Ball AF.
Saiya power is used to power up Baby Vegeta in order for him to achieve his final form, but also to power up Super Saiyan 4 Goku to achieve his maximum potential.
It’s is later used in Battle of Gods in order for a Saiyan to achieve another legendary state, Super Saiyan God.

The Super Saiyan God
Super Saiyan God is just a state and not a true deity since any Saiyan can achieve the form at any time, it however, only works if the Saiyans are pure-hearted. Although this form is imbued with God power, which works differently from normal ki in such a way that it can’t even be measured or read using the same means.

Theoretically this process would work on the Legendary Super Saiyan and theoretically this would/could be the final form of it.

Now back to Broli.
Could Broli have survived? We have been shown that Broli can survive events that should by all means have killed him, so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that he survived having his chest burst when a few years before he survived having his guts burst. But how would he survive being shot to the Sun? Well, again, it’s not hard to imagine that at the last second he managed to raise a ki bubble and from his sheer power he could have either shot himself out of the Sun and passed out or in a way is still in the Sun encapsulated in ki and in another comma. In reality could this be possible? Of course it couldn't, but this is the Dragon World, and it expects us to suspend belief on many other things so, why not this too?

Could Broli be changed and reasoned with? Only if he is overpowered I would believe. This is illustrated, in my opinion fantastically well, once again by Toyble in his Dragon Ball AF. Broli is brought back to life and easily overpowered by our heroes. It then shows that the reason he is so unstable is actually his father, who in the movie is shown to be quite a psychotic and vengeance driven person. So overpowered and without his father’s influence his only choice is to stay quiet and try to surpass his rivals, Vegeta and Goku.

Final Notes
So with all this in mind, I believe a return of Broli could be plausible if done right, he could even be turned into a recurring character if need be.

In sum:
He could return and it could make sense from what we already know about him.
Theoretically, the Legendary Super Saiyan can be “upgraded” to Super Saiyan God, making him doubly legendary.
God of War/Battle/Combat could/would be the position of the Legendary Super Saiyan God in a supposed Pantheon.

So there you have it folks, please feel free to point out any holes or add anything to this. Discuss, give your opinion, you know the drill.
Just please don't start bashing on Broli, it's gotten ancient by now and is simply annoying. If you dislike the character, close the tab and go read a different one.

[TheMightyOzaru]

I like the theory that Broly is a glitch in the system. Lssj is essentially a deformed Ssj God that is hindered by it's bodies intolerance of it's power so it's no where near as strong as Ssj God.

[DNA]

I like the theory that Broly is a glitch in the system. Lssj is essentially a deformed Ssj God that is hindered by it's bodies intolerance of it's power so it's no where near as strong as Ssj God.

But the Legendary state works in a completely different way than the God state. Legendary has raw ki and/or saiya power, God has god power.
In order for a Saiyan to even achieve Super Saiyan God, he needs to not only have a pure heart but be surrounded by five other pure hearted Saiyans. Legendary Super Saiyans are born that way. So the two forms are completely different to each other but can be theoretically used simultaneously or perhaps complement each other.

Furthermore, Super Saiyan God thins the user down whilst Legendary Super Saiyan bulks the user up. So in a way, they are the contrast of each other. But again, the entity known as the Legendary Super Saiyan, that is, not the form known by that name, could potentially achieve Super Saiyan God status.

[Eternal Super Saiyan]

Wasn't the term "GOD" used to describe Kami in DB, same with the Kai's in DBZ? I think God is an overused word and this another one of Toriyama's mistakes during the making of the series. I don't know who actually deserves the word here.

[DNA]

Wasn't the term "GOD" used to describe Kami in DB, same with the Kai's in DBZ? I think God is an overused word and this another one of Toriyama's mistakes during the making of the series. I don't know who actually deserves the word here.

i have no clue what you are talking about. If it is a dub thing I wouldn't know since I've never watched the American dub at all. As far as I know, Kami has always been referred as Kami which in my understanding simply means God, but Super Saiyan God has been called "Super Saiyajin Goddo" which still means God but is said a different way.

In any case we are exploring the possibility of a place for the Legendary Super Saiyan or the Super Saiyan God or both being the same entity in a supposed Pantheon of the Dragon Balls Cosmos.

As an example, Porunga is said to be the patron deity of the Namekian race, which is sort of odd since I would believe a Namekian created Porunga in the first place so wouldn't that person be the deity? Or maybe they are simply summoned from an outer realm as exemplified, once again, by Toyble in his Dragon Ball AF.

[InfernalVegito]

Oh god, I just thought about opening a topic about Broly to discuss whether he could become rational and 'normal' to live in peace with our heroes. You beat me to it. Nevermind.
Speaking of Broly's impressive feats, I believe it would not be too far-fetched to assume he could have survived the Sun. I mean we are talking about a Saiyajin whose powers are truly exceptional and who already as a baby survived a planetary destruction. And not just survivng it but also keeping the ki shield intact for a prolonged period of time until reaching a nearby planet to land on. Or a spaceship, whatever the circumstances were one wants to come up with. Now, Cooler has also survived being shot the Sun, although one could maybe argue that the big Gete star sucked him off before he could have been damaged too much. Anyway, my contention is that Broly surviving the Sun is not impossible.

A return of Broly could be done at any point and I would have nothing to say against it, except only if it was the same mindless "KAKAAAROTTTOO!!!" rage flick again. I always ask myself what would have happened if they revived Broly when they fought Cell or Boo and tried to convince him to join them. Would he cooperate or just try to kill Son Goku?

Oh well.

[DNA]

*About Broli suriving the Sun*

I did cover that, buddy :P

*About Coola*

Coola is from a totally different race who's been shown to survive even when they barely have a body, somehow.

*About Big Gete Star sucking off Coola*

Really should watch what you type.

*About Broli returning*

Well, the first movie showed a much more rational Broli, but kind of damaged psychically, the second is the true mindless rage one but can be shrugged off by the fact that he was just woken up from a seven year long nap by an annoying brat. I too would be grumpy. Bear in mind that in the third movie Bio Broli is not Broli.

[InfernalVegito]

I know, it's a clone.

[Xeogran]

Just wait until 2-3 more years for the next Dragon Ball Arcade game from DIMPS and Next-Gen console game from SPIKE. They added Broly LSSJ3, So why not God Broly? We know everyone LOVES him

And it would be awesome for Broly to turn good some day... Even if it was only in DB Heroes next set trailer where Broly is teaming up with Goku againt somebody, it would be really a refreshing situation.

Although, if Broly was turned good, i think he would lose most of his hype and powers. Just like Piccolo for example (Who never turned Giant again after the World Tournament, for example.) Or TenShinHan who never became four-armed too. That's how is it in fiction, most evil people who turn the good side, lose their awesome powers they had while being evil.

[Metrite]

There's just one thing that would bug me about broly coming back again just because he survived. When he flew through the sun, you could actually see his body fly apart in the explosion this time.
And at the end of movie 11, Goku mentions Broly is causing trouble in Hell which was like a confirmation the real Broly was supposed to be dead. So if Broly were to come back yet again, he'd need a ressurrection, "just survived" wouldn't quite work this time.

I'm rather neutral towars Broly. I think he's cool, but also somewhat poorly and overly used. If another story with Broly is made, then give him his movie 8 personality if he's just going to be an advesary or even something that explores/develops his character, but I never want to see movie 10's "RAW KAKAROTTO!" version, again. The only point where he actually spoke an actual sentence in that movie was near the end as he prepared his final attack. I heard that and thought, "What?! You still remember how to speak other words than Goku's name?! Then why haven't you been doing so?!" I think it's safe to say "I'm the devil" Broly is the one peple prefer over "RAW KAKAROTTO!" Broly. (So the question is, why is "RAW KAKAROTTO!!!!" the one people usually think of when they hear his name? )

[DNA]

And at the end of movie 11, Goku mentions Broly is causing trouble in Hell which was like a confirmation the real Broly was supposed to be dead. So if Broly were to come back yet again, he'd need a ressurrection, "just survived" wouldn't quite work this time.

Dang! There goes that theory down the drain

The only point where he actually spoke an actual sentence in that movie was near the end as he prepared his final attack. I heard that and thought, "What?! You still remember how to speak other words than Goku's name?! Then why haven't you been doing so?!"

Again... If it was me I would be super grumpy and would probably not even speak and just grunt, so I'm kinda surprised he manages to even say one word really...
I kid, I kid...

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Now back to Broli.
Could Broli have survived? We have been shown that Broli can survive events that should by all means have killed him, so it’s not a big stretch to imagine that he survived having his chest burst when a few years before he survived having his guts burst. But how would he survive being shot to the Sun? Well, again, it’s not hard to imagine that at the last second he managed to raise a ki bubble and from his sheer power he could have either shot himself out of the Sun and passed out or in a way is still in the Sun encapsulated in ki and in another comma. In reality could this be possible? Of course it couldn't, but this is the Dragon World, and it expects us to suspend belief on many other things so, why not this too?

If you want to go outside the main sources of info, Raging Blast 2's entry for Super Saiyan 3 Broli in the character dictionary mentions that he's returned again:

"One of the few survivors of his race, Broli, the Legendary Super Saiyan, threw Goku and his friends into turmoil many times before Gohan, Goten and Goku's combined Kamehameha finally defeated him for good...or so they thought. Thirsting for revenge, Broli returned once again, extracting every drop of potential from his Saiyan blood."

The Broli in Hell at the end of Movie 11 could be the clone Broli with his original, pre-deformed body. *shrug*

[DNA]

If you want to go outside the main sources of info, Raging Blast 2's entry for Super Saiyan 3 Broli in the character dictionary mentions that he's returned again:

"One of the few survivors of his race, Broli, the Legendary Super Saiyan, threw Goku and his friends into turmoil many times before Gohan, Goten and Goku's combined Kamehameha finally defeated him for good...or so they thought. Thirsting for revenge, Broli returned once again, extracting every drop of potential from his Saiyan blood."

The Broli in Hell at the end of Movie 11 could be the clone Broli with his original, pre-deformed body. *shrug*

And we are back on track! Thanks for that dude :D

[soulnova]

Would it be possible to erase Broli's memory of Kakarot's annoying crying? And keep Goten away too. That's the only way I believe he could become slightly more "sane". And by that I mean, he just doesn't go on a *mindless rampage*, I'm sure he would still want to kill them all.

I don't think Broli can achieve the GOD state though. But now that I think about it... The Legendary's bloodlust and power was feared and respect by all Saiyans... what if the SS God was always meant to stop him? Opposite forces.

[Herms]

Wasn't the term "GOD" used to describe Kami in DB, same with the Kai's in DBZ?

It's not a "description", kami is the actual Japanese word for "god". The old green guy is the "God of Earth" (Chikyuu no Kami), often called Kami/God for short (especially before it's revealed that there's a bunch more gods out there). All the gods in DB have been referred to as kami in Japanese, logically enough, including Kaio and Kaioshin. But with the title "Super Saiyan God", they use the English word "god" even in Japanese, although the form is also called Saiya-jin no Kami/"God of the Saiyans" a few times in the movie. Toriyama noted in one of the recent interviews that gods and aliens have been mainstays of his work since the beginning.

[DNA]

Would it be possible to erase Broli's memory of Kakarot's annoying crying? And keep Goten away too. That's the only way I believe he could become slightly more "sane". And by that I mean, he just doesn't go on a *mindless rampage*, I'm sure he would still want to kill them all.

I believe that with sufficient psychological intervention he would eventually come around. Again, Toyble illustrates this pretty good.
I don't think Goku's cry is what makes him go insane, I believe it just sort of ticks him the wrong way. As shown before in the movie, he doesn't really need Goku's cry to go on a rampage. As a baby, Goku crying right next to him annoyed him and as such, subconsciously, Goku's presence simply annoys the shit out of him. It's not that Goku's cry made him crazy, that's ridiculous. If anything, his father probably made him crazy, the guy is a total bag of douche.

I don't think Broli can achieve the GOD state though.

I don't know if Broli could, but technically a Legendary Super Saiyan, Broli or not, if pure hearted, could.
Then again, I would never believe that Vegeta could but apparently he's not only able to power up Goku to achieve the state, he's also a liable candidate for it. So with time and motivation and again, psychological intervention, Broli could too? Maybe?

But now that I think about it... The Legendary's bloodlust and power was feared and respect by all Saiyans... what if the SS God was always meant to stop him? Opposite forces.

That's a really interesting theory, I could easily believe that.

[soulnova]

I don't know that about Paragus. He was a douche, yes, but we never saw him torturing Broli. That's mostly from the doujinshis. Heck, he was pleading to King Vegeta to spare his life. Even when Broli was a teenager, Paragus tried to keep him from destroying everything in his wake... he was already psychotic. Broly took his eye in one such attempt to calm him. Fearing his power and the prospect of getting killed, Paragus eventually used the mind control circlet... and, yes, he used him to form a plan to finally get revenge on the Royal Family. At that point he couldn't see Broli as nothing more as a killing machine, a tool. Not because he made him that, but because he just happened to be one.

[DNA]

A dad can love his son and still destroy him psychologically without noticing. Even when trying to stop Broli, it always looked to me like Paragus was looking at his own well being and safety rather than worrying about Broly destroying shit. He is a Saiyan after all, destroying shit s part of what they do.

[Rocketman]

If Broly looked as cool and talked as much trash as GoW's Ares, I wouldn't hate him.

[DNA]

If Broly looked as cool and talked as much trash as GoW's Ares, I wouldn't hate him.

I was wondering how long it would take until you'd come here to talk shit about Broli.
Thing is, I don't think anyone here gives a fuck about what you think about Broli.
Furthermore, as I've pointed out at the beggining and end of the first post, this is not what this thread is about.
If that's the kind of argument you want to bring to the discussion, believed there is no space for you here.