Do the Z Fighters Still Use Martial Arts in the Z-era ?

DonZ · Post by **DonZ** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:53 pm

It was obvious in the original series, since there wasn't any Ki attack involved -before the 22nd Budokai Tenkaichi- but since Z started, i couldn't tell if they're using martial arts or just some random punches or kicks.

GotenDaisuki · Post by **GotenDaisuki** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:02 pm

The Z portion of the series makes the old martial arts style completely inept. It is all based on energy and ki and what have you after the 23rd Tenkaichi Budoukai. Although, some martial arts are still present, prominently with Goten and Trunks, who agreed not to let themselves get carried away with their ki (Trunks breaking the rules when he goes Super Saiyan, and Goten's "Kamekame-Ha", and perhaps a few other small ki attacks were the only ones present in this battle, if memory serves me). That is what I think, anyway, but the fact of the matter is martial arts is no longer relevant for the most part after Dragon Ball.

FortuneSSJ · Post by **FortuneSSJ** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:03 pm

Nop. Just brutal strength and KI blasts here and there.

The most "martial art" fight like is Goku vs Uub in the end. That fight was a great choice to finish Z.

El Diabeetus · Post by **El Diabeetus** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:24 pm

Even though it probably had some Ki in the attacks, I was a fan of Birus'/Beerus' pressure-point martial arts in BotG.

Avenged · Post by **Avenged** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:26 pm

Martial arts is simply an art of fighting, so of course they still use this. Martial arts is not a specific form of fighting, like say Kung Fu. It is used for physical, mental and spiritual strengthening.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:45 pm

Avenged wrote:Martial arts is simply an art of fighting, so of course they still use this. Martial arts is not a specific form of fighting, like say Kung Fu. It is used for physical, mental and spiritual strengthening.

It's a specific form of fighting in that it's codified.

I don't know if they still use martial arts in DBZ, but Goku has a martial arts background. Vegeta doesn't.

Insertclevername · Post by **Insertclevername** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:51 pm

I imagine Vegeta uses some form of Saiyan fighting style.

samuraix123 · Post by **samuraix123** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:35 pm

Insertclevername wrote:I imagine Vegeta uses some form of Saiyan fighting style.

This! I also miss seeing Martial Art stances like these

Makaioshin · Post by **Makaioshin** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:00 pm

I don't think the hand to hand fighting is actually that different from the non-Z era. Just more chi usage and less poses.
But yeah, even if Vegeta didn't learn the martial arts from Earth he is still just a martial artist character with scifi coating.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:40 pm

Saiyan Saga had a perfect balance between martial arts and battle power but the martial arts become less prodominate as the series goes along.

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:10 pm

The technical "art" aspect was really downplayed by the Freeza-arc, but even then there were still some good "traditional" style martial arts at points in that fight. But after that, it was all generic flurries of punches and kicks, and ki blast spamming.

The 22nd through the 23rd Tournaments were the highlight of technical martial arts in the series.

The Monkey King · Post by **The Monkey King** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:24 pm

I think for the 'Z' portion of Dragon Ball 'good' examples of martial arts are:
Goku vs Vegeta
Goku vs Ginyu
Goku vs Cell

The style of fighting in these fights wasn't just haymakers and ki blasts, there was style and grace aswell.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:32 pm

The Monkey King wrote:I think for the 'Z' portion of Dragon Ball 'good' examples of martial arts are:
Goku vs Vegeta
Goku vs Ginyu
Goku vs Cell

The style of fighting in these fights wasn't just haymakers and ki blasts, there was style and grace aswell.

Piccolo vs Android 17 as well. Probably my 2nd favorite fight in the series (after Goku and Vegeta.)

Cursed Lemon · Post by **Cursed Lemon** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:11 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
The Monkey King wrote:I think for the 'Z' portion of Dragon Ball 'good' examples of martial arts are:
Goku vs Vegeta
Goku vs Ginyu
Goku vs Cell

The style of fighting in these fights wasn't just haymakers and ki blasts, there was style and grace aswell.
Piccolo vs Android 17 as well. Probably my 2nd favorite fight in the series (after Goku and Vegeta.)

It's ironic that you say that, considering my favorite part of that fight was when they were just WAILING on each other.

DemonRin · Post by **DemonRin** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:50 pm

I've always taken it that they are still using martial arts just as they were before whenever they are using hand to hand combat, its just that its not a focal point of the story anymore so they don't bother to depict it. they depict the characters' super speed in a way that doesn't make the fighting moves discernable.

TheMightyOzaru · Post by **TheMightyOzaru** » Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:29 pm

Yes...

sonikku956 · Post by **sonikku956** » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:01 am

I wanted to see some more martial arts in Z. Especially the Goku vs. Perfect Cell fight.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:17 am

I think the martial arts is still there, but that it's reached the point that you can't even see it anymore. I forget which tournament it was--23rd, maybe--where Goku took on a stance that didn't look like a stance at all, but Tenshinhan and the others could tell that it was a big deal because of how calm Goku's heart was. Sometimes someone can have no openings even when they look entirely relaxed--in anime, at least.

Saiga · Post by **Saiga** » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:09 am

Bussani wrote:I think the martial arts is still there, but that it's reached the point that you can't even see it anymore. I forget which tournament it was--23rd, maybe--where Goku took on a stance that didn't look like a stance at all, but Tenshinhan and the others could tell that it was a big deal because of how calm Goku's heart was. Sometimes someone can have no openings even when they look entirely relaxed--in anime, at least.

That reminds me of either the 21st or 22nd Budokai, where Goku is being relaxed and his opponent is spotting the holes in his guard. But rather than Goku actually being on guard and just looking relaxed, Goku just plain overpowered the guy.

Stuff like that makes me think martial arts has never been as important as being overpowered was.

Marco Polo · Post by **Marco Polo** » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:23 am

Saiga wrote:Stuff like that makes me think martial arts has never been as important as being overpowered was.

It's such a shame. In a shonen manga, I could really have accepted if a character was weaker than another but could block all his moves with martial arts and even inflict him damage via pressure points and whatnot and defeat him. That sounds like the kind of concepts that would fit in a shonen. But sadly DBZ never used that concept (except maybe when SSJ Grade III Trunks couldn't hit Cell, but it wasn't Cell using martial arts it was just Trunks being plain too slow).

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