King Vegeta and Bardock

[TheMightyOzaru]

Who is the stronger of the 2? Is there any official mention of it?

[hleV]

King Vegeta, obviously. Bardock is a low class warrior.

... Unless you compare him to the Bardock from the movie(s).

[TheMightyOzaru]

King Vegeta, obviously. Bardock is a low class warrior.

... Unless you compare him to the Bardock from the movie(s).

I'm not taking Episode of Bardock into account. I think he straight up surpassed Vegeta when he got that Zenkai in that film.

[Herms]

There's really nothing in the series itself to go off of. King Vegeta is barely mentioned and never even named in the manga, and not shown or mentioned in the original version of the Bardock special. However, the Funi dub of the special changes the line where Bardock's BP is said to be nearly 10,000 to instead say that Bardock is nearly as strong as King Vegeta.

Daizenshuu 7/Chouzenshuu 4's bio for King Vegeta describes him as the strongest Saiyan at the time of their planet's destruction; Vegeta says in the Freeza arc that he surpassed his father while still a child, but going by this he didn't reach that milestone until after his father's death. Anyway, this line obviously implies that King Vegeta was stronger than Bardock. In the manga Freeza only remembers Bardock as the Saiyan "who held out until the very end", and not necessarily for being particularly strong.

Of course, these days Bardock is a Super Saiyan, which presumably gives him the edge until DB Heroes rolls out a Super Saiyan King Vegeta card.

[dbzfan7]

There's really nothing in the series itself to go off of. King Vegeta is barely mentioned and never even named in the manga, and not shown or mentioned in the original version of the Bardock special. However, the Funi dub of the special changes the line where Bardock's BP is said to be nearly 10,000 to instead say that Bardock is nearly as strong as King Vegeta.

Daizenshuu 7/Chouzenshuu 4's bio for King Vegeta describes him as the strongest Saiyan at the time of their planet's destruction; Vegeta says in the Freeza arc that he surpassed his father while still a child, but going by this he didn't reach that milestone until after his father's death. Anyway, this line obviously implies that King Vegeta was stronger than Bardock. In the manga Freeza only remembers Bardock as the Saiyan "who held out until the very end", and not necessarily for being particularly strong.

Of course, these days Bardock is a Super Saiyan, which presumably gives him the edge until DB Heroes rolls out a Super Saiyan King Vegeta card.

Fear the Super Beard.

[RandomGuy96]

There's really nothing in the series itself to go off of. King Vegeta is barely mentioned and never even named in the manga, and not shown or mentioned in the original version of the Bardock special. However, the Funi dub of the special changes the line where Bardock's BP is said to be nearly 10,000 to instead say that Bardock is nearly as strong as King Vegeta.

Daizenshuu 7/Chouzenshuu 4's bio for King Vegeta describes him as the strongest Saiyan at the time of their planet's destruction; Vegeta says in the Freeza arc that he surpassed his father while still a child, but going by this he didn't reach that milestone until after his father's death. Anyway, this line obviously implies that King Vegeta was stronger than Bardock. In the manga Freeza only remembers Bardock as the Saiyan "who held out until the very end", and not necessarily for being particularly strong.

Of course, these days Bardock is a Super Saiyan, which presumably gives him the edge until DB Heroes rolls out a Super Saiyan King Vegeta card.

This clears things up quite nicely, thank you.

(post-Freeza's bad mood) kid Vegeta > King Vegeta > Bardock

Fear the Super Beard.

Still weaker than Neiz.

[dbzfan7]

Still weaker than Neiz.

Neiz and Boo are nothing to the Super Beard. By being an epic beard it get's a 200,000,000,000,000 x boost in strength.

[TheMightyOzaru]

Nope. SSJ King Vegeta would own Neizu without so much as lifting a finger.

[RandomGuy96]

Crap, you're right, I forgot the Super Beard multiplier. That's what let puny 4,000 Nappa beat Buutenks:

Nope. SSJ King Vegeta would own Neizu without so much as lifting a finger.

Right, and Cooler is 470,000,000.

[TheMightyOzaru]

We've already been over this, those BPs are video game promotions that contradict official material, but now is not the time or place to argue about that so lets just agree to disagree . Pfff, the SSJ3 Beard multiplier is greater than SSJ God duh .

[dbzfan7]

Crap, you're right, I forgot the Super Beard multiplier. That's what let puny 4,000 Nappa beat Android 17:

Nappa pulled off SSJ3 beard. Damn his multiplier is going to go off the charts.

[RandomGuy96]

We've already been over this, those BPs are video game promotions that contradict official material, but now is not the time or place to argue about that so lets just agree to disagree .

They contradict nothing. I'll agree to disagree but Cooler's 470,000,000 contradicting anything is factually wrong.

Nappa pulled off SSJ3 beard. Damn his multiplier is going to go off the charts.

I know right? I'd place him at GT Worm level minimum.

[Draken]

We've already been over this, those BPs are video game promotions that contradict official material, but now is not the time or place to argue about that so lets just agree to disagree .

They contradict nothing. I'll agree to disagree but Cooler's 470,000,000 contradicting anything is factually wrong.

Nappa pulled off SSJ3 beard. Damn his multiplier is going to go off the charts.

I know right? I'd place him at GT Worm level minimum.

So how the hell did Goku get over 3x stronger out of nowhere?

[dbzfan7]

I know right? I'd place him at GT Worm level minimum.

I'd say Super Baby 1 level. If that beard goes SSJ4 or SSJG then the universe explodes.

[RandomGuy96]

So how the hell did Goku get over 3x stronger out of nowhere?

Toei mountain training and/or hax. Same way GT Goku inexplicably got 400 times stronger. Or an alternate timeline zenkai.

I'd say Super Baby 1 level. If that beard goes SSJ4 or SSJG then the universe explodes.

I don't know man, seems like you're underselling him. SS God Beard Nappa is easily a multiverse buster.

[dbzfan7]

I don't know man, seems like you're underselling him. SS God Beard Nappa is easily a multiverse buster.

Maybe he could go further then that. He is so powerful he'll jump out of the manga and force Toriyama to change the manga to how he wants it.

[MDSTSSJ]

I don´t remember where ( not DB wikia or anything like that ) but, I read somewhere long ago that King Vegeta had a battle power of 17,000.

[Bando]

So King Vegeta is a Funi invention? Did the Daizenshuu adopt the name?

[TheMightyOzaru]

I don´t remember where ( not DB wikia or anything like that ) but, I read somewhere long ago that King Vegeta had a battle power of 17,000.

That's way too high to make sense.

[MDSTSSJ]

I don´t remember where ( not DB wikia or anything like that ) but, I read somewhere long ago that King Vegeta had a battle power of 17,000.

That's way too high to make sense.

Why?? ¨Daizenshuu 7/Chouzenshuu 4's bio for King Vegeta describes him as the strongest Saiyan at the time of their planet's destruction; Vegeta says in the Freeza arc that he surpassed his father while still a child, but going by this he didn't reach that milestone until after his father's death¨

Mmm the Freeza arc Vegeta statement for me is not very specific. How could kid Vegeta surpass his father when the King was alive and the strongest Saiyan at that time? Saiyan Arc Vegeta´s battle power was 18,000. Bardock battle power was 10,000. Does not seem so illogical that King Vegeta has 17,000. Come on, he was the King and a High Class Saiyan.

We never see kid Vegeta with his father if I remember correctly. We never see kid Vegeta with a scouter. Kid Vegeta beat all the Saibamans ( 1,200 battle power ). Kid Vegeta kill an entire Alien ( maybe very weak Aliens ) Planet. Nappa in that time has no 4,000 power battle.