Scenes where you've disliked your favourite character

[Unicorn_Bazooka]

There are scenes like that.

Gohan isn't exactly my favourite character, but he's still awesome. Here's a pretty long scene. I find his expression as SSJ2 pretty annoying. I don't know why, it just gets on my nerves. I do like Gohan otherwise.

...My posts have gotten really short lately...

[KentalSSJ6]

Goku giving Cell a senzu bean really rubs me the wrong way. I know Goku is one for fair play but come on, by doing that he pretty much signed his death warrant and nearly doomed the planet.

Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18. Another one of many dumb moves in the Cell saga made by the characters.

Havent seen the Buu saga in years so ill leave it at that for now.

[Blade]

Some of Goku's grey-spectrum-of-morality stuff used to annoy me as a kid - such as the aforementioned giving Cell a senzu bean, or not defeating Majin Buu to let Trunks and Goten have a go at saving the Earth, essentially condemning the entire human race to death in the process. There's also a little bit of this in Battle of Gods, where Goku risks everything to challenge Birus out of the purely selfish desire to test himself against the best and then is happy to watch silently from the sidelines whilst his friends are easily defeated and the Earth's fate hangs in the balance.

Now, however, I find it all pretty interesting. I mean, Dragonball gets a lot of flack from people saying that the characters have no depth, and I think that some of Goku's more bizarre decisions go some way to refuting that. He's not the white, immaculate, heroic protagonist that he has became to be known as within the (western specifically) cultural lexicon.

[KentalSSJ6]

To be fair, in terms of Buu, Goku had good intentions. Its clear he sees everyone is relying on him and he also knows he will someday die. He wants everyone to be able to defend the earth on their own when that day comes so allowing the boys to take on Buu is a understandable decision. He never could have seen Gotenks acting the way he did, and come to think of it, does he ever see Gotenks at all? Gotenks indeed had the power to obliterate Buu but due to his personality, he let the fight drag too long.

So for Goku, that was a unforeseeable error on his part and I cant really give him flak for that.

[Blade]

To be fair, in terms of Buu, Goku had good intentions. Its clear he sees everyone is relying on him and he also knows he will someday die. He wants everyone to be able to defend the earth on their own when that day comes so allowing the boys to take on Buu is a understandable decision. He never could have seen Gotenks acting the way he did, and come to think of it, does he ever see Gotenks at all? Gotenks indeed had the power to obliterate Buu but due to his personality, he let the fight drag too long.

So for Goku, that was a unforeseeable error on his part and I cant really give him flak for that.

So instead of training Goten and Trunks the fusion technique in times of peace and reigning in Gotenks' personality flaws, he chose to gamble the fate of humanity on the instant success of the fusion technique? Good intentions aside, the execution is incredibly short-sighted.

There's no reason why he couldn't have arranged another day on Earth to train the boys fusion after defeating Majin Buu.

[KentalSSJ6]

Nobody said Goku was smart.

I think a big moment I hate is Gohan dropping the Potara earring. I mean..really? He has the reflexes to dodge rocks thrown by a Super Saiyan and can catch bullets with his hands, yet cant catch a earring?

[Metalwario64]

There's also a little bit of this in Battle of Gods.

Thankfully I stopped reading there.

For heaven's sake, I keep getting so close to seeing BOG spoilers outside of the BOG thread. We have spoiler tags, so why is nobody using them outside of posting images? Seriously, I haven't seen the movie, and don't want everyone slowly spoiling the entire thing for me.

So, in a nutshell, plz use spoiler tags for spoilers everybody! Thanks, and bye.


Actually, I'd like a sticky notice on the main General Discussion board to remind people to mark their BoG spoilers.

[rereboy]

So instead of training Goten and Trunks the fusion technique in times of peace and reigning in Gotenks' personality flaws, he chose to gamble the fate of humanity on the instant success of the fusion technique? Good intentions aside, the execution is incredibly short-sighted.

There's no reason why he couldn't have arranged another day on Earth to train the boys fusion after defeating Majin Buu.

You talk like there would no risk in Goku fighting Buu at full power. Goku knew that his SSJ3 would drain his time in the living world severely. As we find out later in the arc, Goku actually believed he would be able to defeat Fat Buu with his full power, but exactly how long would it take? Would Goku have enough time to destroy him using his SSJ3 before he ran out of time in the living world? And if he failed to do so in time, there would be no one to teach the kids how to fuse, so if Goku fought Buu seriously, he would be betting the entire fate of the universe on his ability to end the fight very fast.

Instead of risking that, he chose to risk it in the new generation because he believed they would be able to do it and, by doing so, the foundations for a new generation capable of defending the planet would be set. What's so short-sighted about that...? Either option would have a severe risk. He just chose the one which seems better to him. And I tend to agree with him. Considering how limited Goku was regarding his full power in the living world, him fighting seriously wasn't a better option than relying on Gotenks.

[Blade]

There's also a little bit of this in Battle of Gods.

Thankfully I stopped reading there.

For heaven's sake, I keep getting so close to seeing BOG spoilers outside of the BOG thread. We have spoiler tags, so why is nobody using them outside of posting images? Seriously, I haven't seen the movie, and don't want everyone slowly spoiling the entire thing for me.

So, in a nutshell, plz use spoiler tags for spoilers everybody! Thanks, and bye.


Actually, I'd like a sticky notice on the main General Discussion board to remind people to mark their BoG spoilers.

There's no need to take that sort of attitude with me. This is a Dragonball forum, it's not my responsibility, as a general poster, to make assumptions about what other users have seen or haven't seen. Suppose you hadn't seen the Buu arc - would you have me encapsulate my statements regarding Goku in a spoiler tag, too?

Sorry, but it's really not my problem.

[DoomieDoomie911]

I would say when Vegeta lets Cell reach his perfect form. Whenever I watch that scene I always find myself yelling at my TV.

[DBZAOTA482]

So instead of training Goten and Trunks the fusion technique in times of peace and reigning in Gotenks' personality flaws, he chose to gamble the fate of humanity on the instant success of the fusion technique? Good intentions aside, the execution is incredibly short-sighted.

There's no reason why he couldn't have arranged another day on Earth to train the boys fusion after defeating Majin Buu.

You talk like there would no risk in Goku fighting Buu at full power. Goku knew that his SSJ3 would drain his time in the living world severely. As we find out later in the arc, Goku actually believed he would be able to defeat Fat Buu with his full power, but exactly how long would it take? Would Goku have enough time to destroy him using his SSJ3 before he ran out of time in the living world? And if he failed to do so in time, there would be no one to teach the kids how to fuse, so if Goku fought Buu seriously, he would be betting the entire fate of the universe on his ability to end the fight very fast.

Instead of risking that, he chose to risk it in the new generation because he believed they would be able to do it and, by doing so, the foundations for a new generation capable of defending the planet would be set. What's so short-sighted about that...? Either option would have a severe risk. He just chose the one which seems better to him. And I tend to agree with him. Considering how limited Goku was regarding his full power in the living world, him fighting seriously wasn't a better option than relying on Gotenks.

It's short-sighted because bearing the responsibility on two rookies to defeat an omnicidal maniac is NOT a good way to teach them how to handle future threats (considering it didn't teach them a damned thing) especially when lives are now at stake, and Goku didn't want Trunks and Goten to use the ROSAT. Besides he could have prevented the whole conflict if he had just pull out SSJ3 on Vegeta and hit him so hard that he is knocked out.... or better yet, fight him together with Gohan.

[OmegaRockman]

There's also a little bit of this in Battle of Gods.

Thankfully I stopped reading there.

For heaven's sake, I keep getting so close to seeing BOG spoilers outside of the BOG thread. We have spoiler tags, so why is nobody using them outside of posting images? Seriously, I haven't seen the movie, and don't want everyone slowly spoiling the entire thing for me.

So, in a nutshell, plz use spoiler tags for spoilers everybody! Thanks, and bye.


Actually, I'd like a sticky notice on the main General Discussion board to remind people to mark their BoG spoilers.

I don't want to be mean or anything, but the movie's been out on DVD for a month already. It would be one thing if the movie was still in theaters, but it's on DVD, subtitled by multiple groups of fans, and has even had international distribution. At this point, most of the people who want to see the movie have already seen it. You may be an exception to this (I'm assuming that you're waiting for either a domestic release or to be able to buy the Japanese version?), but that doesn't change the fact that the movie has been out for a while now.

On topic, I think it was pretty shitty of Goku to leave his family to train Oob. Well, his sons were adults at that point at least, so I guess it isn't TOTALLY bad. But his poor wife...

[Blade]

So instead of training Goten and Trunks the fusion technique in times of peace and reigning in Gotenks' personality flaws, he chose to gamble the fate of humanity on the instant success of the fusion technique? Good intentions aside, the execution is incredibly short-sighted.

There's no reason why he couldn't have arranged another day on Earth to train the boys fusion after defeating Majin Buu.

You talk like there would no risk in Goku fighting Buu at full power. Goku knew that his SSJ3 would drain his time in the living world severely. As we find out later in the arc, Goku actually believed he would be able to defeat Fat Buu with his full power, but exactly how long would it take? Would Goku have enough time to destroy him using his SSJ3 before he ran out of time in the living world? And if he failed to do so in time, there would be no one to teach the kids how to fuse, so if Goku fought Buu seriously, he would be betting the entire fate of the universe on his ability to end the fight very fast.

Instead of risking that, he chose to risk it in the new generation because he believed they would be able to do it and, by doing so, the foundations for a new generation capable of defending the planet would be set. What's so short-sighted about that...? Either option would have a severe risk. He just chose the one which seems better to him. And I tend to agree with him. Considering how limited Goku was regarding his full power in the living world, him fighting seriously wasn't a better option than relying on Gotenks.

It's short-sighted because bearing the responsibility on two rookies to defeat an omnicidal maniac is NOT a good way to teach them how to handle future threats (considering it didn't teach them a damned thing) especially when lives are now at stake, and Goku didn't want Trunks and Goten to use the ROSAT. Besides he could have prevented the whole conflict if he had just pull out SSJ3 on Vegeta and hit him so hard that he is knocked out.... or better yet, fight him together with Gohan.

Exactly, which also fails to mention that Majin Buu was only ever released in the first place because Goku chose to indulge Vegeta and fight him as a Super Saiyan 2, as opposed to quickly defeating him as a Super Saiyan 3.

On topic, I think it was pretty shitty of Goku to leave his family to train Oob. Well, his sons were adults at that point at least, so I guess it isn't TOTALLY bad. But his poor wife...

If you go by the GT perfect files, it's stated that Goku doesn't train Uub constantly over the 5 year time gap at the end of Z. I think it says he trains with Uub once a year? But yeah, anyway - in the manga it's not stated how long he trains with Uub for, as yeah, it ends with them both leaving.

[TheGmGoken]

Goten - When he asked Trunks to hold his sword in Movie 13. Always irked me. Don't like the idea of a "Son" to have a sword. A power Pole yes but the Sword belongs to Yamcha(I miss that) and Briefs.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Piccolo has never really done anything that upset me

[Gonstead]

Goten - When he asked Trunks to hold his sword in Movie 13. Always irked me. Don't like the idea of a "Son" to have a sword. A power Pole yes but the Sword belongs to Yamcha(I miss that) and Briefs.

He's a little kid, it's natural he's going to be interested in something cool his best friend has just received. I also really don't see why the second part of your sentence matters since he was never actually going to have the sword itself anyway.

[TheGmGoken]

Goten - When he asked Trunks to hold his sword in Movie 13. Always irked me. Don't like the idea of a "Son" to have a sword. A power Pole yes but the Sword belongs to Yamcha(I miss that) and Briefs.

He's a little kid, it's natural he's going to be interested in something cool his best friend has just received. I also really don't see why the second part of your sentence matters since he was never actually going to have the sword itself anyway.

Goten in DBO teaches sword training with Trunks

[Vijay]

Never was a big fan of Gohan. Found him to be a lousy son to be honest.

I disliked Ultimate Gohan's entry as the hero.

All he did was sitting his rear-end in front of an old-geezer for 20 damn episode & suddenly gets to be the hero.

I thought that move would've pushed Buu Saga to eternal hell. Thanks to Toriyama for bringin back Goku & Vegeta into action

[TheGmGoken]

Never was a big fan of Gohan. Found him to be a lousy son to be honest.

How is he a lousy son?

[DBZAOTA482]

Never was a big fan of Gohan. Found him to be a lousy son to be honest.

How does wanting to make your father proud and your mother happy make you a lousy son? More like Goku is a lousy father/husband (though he doesn't mean it). *stick out tongue*