So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

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So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by MediaFanGirl93 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:02 pm

I noticed how some fans of the show say they dislike Adult Gohan because he's not "badass" anymore and he gave up fighting to be a scholar. I mean, why put him down for trying to achieve his dreams.?

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I always loved Adult Gohan, because I felt he had much more self esteem and he was a lot happier than Kid/Teen Gohan. Also, he was able to attend public school and was finally able to have friends around his age, so I don't see why anyone would hate the fact that he's a better person than he was before.

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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:20 pm

I think it's mostly because he 'didn't beat Boo', mixed with him failing as the lead character. That and a lot of people don't like the Saiyaman stuff (which I love). Honestly, Gohan of any kind isn't my favorite character, but I liked him a lot more in the Boo arc than I did anywhere else. He seemed to finally come into his own as a character rather than being 'the son of Goku' who either A) was helpful enough in a fight, or B) got in the way. Cell Games Gohan is cool enough too though.

And not to de-rail the topic, but two off-topic-ish additions. 1) Huh...never noticed that the books Gohan were holding were by Darwin. 2) Love the Botan avatar. Easily one of my favorite characters in Yu Yu Hakusho. :mrgreen:
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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:18 pm

This isn't in universe. But actually its split 50-50. Lots of fans seem to enjoy Teen-Adult Gohan for being himself and living life while the others hate hin for not being kid Gohan. I like them evenly. Gohan grew up saw that there was no more threats to Earth and said fuck fighting I'm living my life. That's respect.

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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by penguintruth » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:31 pm

Suddenly not being a fighter in a series mostly about fighting kind of makes him a "loser" to the reader.

I, for one, admire him for landing a nice piece in Videl. But for some reason, married scholar Gohan is still living at home with his parents, in the middle of nowhere.
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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by Kaboom » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:41 pm

From a more practical standpoint, yeah, Gohan's the best off out of possibly the whole main cast, what with getting married, becoming a scholar, and so forth.

But like penguintruth said, that's a secondary concern when it comes to Dragon Ball. Gohan's career choices are significantly less vital to the plot than whether or not he's able to take down the big bads who keep trying to wreck the Earth. But despite also having a crapton of natural talent in that department, Gohan's EXTREMELY prone to failure, and practically always drops the ball unless someone's helping him. Hence why people poke fun at him.
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Post by Kid Buu » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:43 pm

I like Gohan in the Saiyan-Namek arcs, but after that he just falls out of relevance. Toriyama pushed him back into the picture during the Cell Games, but I wasn't a fan of his mini-Vegeta phase. The Saiyaman stuff is fun, but I never really cared for Mystic Gohan either. Although that has more to do with how the entire Gohan fight felt pointless, rather than the actual character himself.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:44 pm

penguintruth wrote:But for some reason, married scholar Gohan is still living at home with his parents, in the middle of nowhere.
I could be wrong, but isn't it more common in Japan for a family to remain living together, or at least take in the parents when they get older? I've always just chalked it up to that, but someone more knowledgeable could correct me on this.
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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by Kaboom » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:46 pm

Yeah, with Goku constantly going off and living with 10-year-old boys and stuff, it's probably more that Gohan's taking care of Chichi by still living there. At least it seems he and Videl actually just have their own house built right next door.
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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:50 pm

Kaboom wrote:Yeah, with Goku constantly going off and living with 10-year-old boys and stuff
...Nah, too easy. *doesn't make the joke*

And really, for all we know, Gohan being a 'scholar' could just be that he's a teacher. Maybe he's not that wealthy at all, other than the obvious in to Mr. Satan's wealth.
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Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:53 pm

I'd take Videl over being the world's strongest warrior too.

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'd take Videl over being the world's strongest warrior too.

Don't let my wife see this message...
Or in Gohan's case, you can have both (Fuck Bitches. Get Money Power.).
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Post by penguintruth » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:42 pm

Kaboom wrote:Yeah, with Goku constantly going off and living with 10-year-old boys and stuff
The obvious jokes aside, I'm not sure that Uub's parents are too happy about this well-fed muscled superman living in their shack, eating the little food they have, and punching their son in the name of training. They probably have distended stomachs and bones poking out, and this spikey-headed picture of health just hanging out probably pisses them off.

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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by KentalSSJ6 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:50 pm

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KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'd take Videl over being the world's strongest warrior too.

Don't let my wife see this message...
Or in Gohan's case, you can have both (Fuck Bitches. Get Money Power.).
I just wanna clarify and avoid any possible misconceptions here.

Your not calling my wife a bitch are you?
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Re: So why is Adult Gohan always shamed by the fandom?

Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:54 pm

Yeah, while I can see why the fandom of a largely fighting-centric show dislikes a character who turns his back on fighting, it's not something that's ever made sense to me personally. After all, for me, the fighting is one of the things I care for the least. That's not to say I don't like it, but I can't be entertained by fighting alone. It bores me. I have to have a reason to be invested in the fighting, so it's necessary for the story and characters to get me to that point. Also, I love the first arc of Dragon Ball, where only about half of the main characters are fighters, but the non-fighters still contribute to the story and have interesting personalities.

Couple that with the desire I've always had to actually see these characters' lives rather than just having them constantly in battle all the time. And elements like that were much more common earlier in the series. So, yeah, my reaction to things like Great Saiyaman was an excited, "Yay! I get to see Gohan go to school!"

So, no, just like with Yamucha and Kuririn, I don't fault Gohan for pushing his life in a different direction. And unlike those two characters, we actually get to see what he does instead. So, yeah, that's awesome. That said, I do agree with the idea that Gohan was wasted in the Boo arc, with months upon months of buildup that lead to nothing. That's frustrating and stupid.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:I'd take Videl over being the world's strongest warrior too.

Don't let my wife see this message...
Or in Gohan's case, you can have both (Fuck Bitches. Get Money Power.).
I just wanna clarify and avoid any possible misconceptions here.

Your not calling my wife a bitch are you?
No, not at all. I was just making a funny reference but then I remembered meaning was off from what I thought it meant.
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Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:32 pm

People hate Adult Gohan so much because of his character and their denial of who he was. He isnt Vegeta or Goku. He is a mamma's boy with a pacifist heart. Though most of the fans who were obessed with SSJ2-Kid Gohan lost the "badass" they remembered him being during his OP-hype against Cell. Most western people hated the fact he stopped training and chose to be a scholar as he wanted. They hate Gohan because he chose to give up being that rage-boost abusing unorthadox little shit he was in the namek saga. Though Cell-saga gohan most definately was their source of nostalgia and anything that breaks it makes them foaming mad.They refused to accept him having a personality and refused to accept that he isnt the "badass" they invisioned him as. Thus why they hate him, but they love Mystic Gohan because he reminds them of what they missed in him. Wether or not he lost. They dont care that Gohan cant fight at all without his dad holding his hand as even Buu said. They couldn't accept that their favourate character sucks.

I might be very few of the only people that likes Adult Gohan's awkward personality and genuine pure-heart, I pit him for living under such a high expectation of him all because of his father and his powers that they forced him to accept despite not having the heart to control it. Thus why he was such an incompetant fighter. He never was one at all. People often miss this despite it proven evident during his fight with Dabura. Vegeta at that time was basically the voice of the fanbase and Goku represented my position.
Then in the Buu saga tried to force him back into battle despite his incometence. Goku didnt at all learn that Gohan cant do it but again forced him anyway because to him Gohan was nothing but a weapon.

My only problem with adult Gohan is the fact that the Buu saga tried to reestablish him as a lead when he volenteered to just be a background guy. Instead of giving Piccolo or Vegeta that chance to take over, or giving Tien that comeback he still needs they yet again have to give gohan that magic "hidden power release" and hes back to top tier again. Not training a day in his life in 7 years, and losing 2/3 of his SSJ energy from Yamu and Spopovich he somehow gets a boost that puts him over Goku himself. Though thats just bad writting.

I hate Gohan for his Fight with Buu. It was next to Vegitto vs Buu, the worst fight in the series. Mystic Gohan just sucks. Period. YET the fanboys still coin this age old myth that says he is the strongest unfused character on the Z-Team and didnt have to work a day to get it. This made him the infamous Gary-stu of the series and its not his fault. Akira should never have tried to push him after he gave up on him.
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Post by TheGmGoken » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:35 pm

How would unlocking Tien power matter? I doubt he would compete with a monster above SSJ3 :roll: .

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:38 pm

A big part of it is probably because despite all the build-up, his role whole role in the Buu arc ended up being "Super Buu's bitch".

Also, Gohan being the strongest of the team isn't a myth. There's not a single other member of the main cast that isn't finger flick material to him. Yet he underestimated the apparent "retard", and so got his ass kicked and failed, while Goku had tons of help and many, many more ass pulls to save him from the same fate.
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Post by Kid Buu » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:39 pm

I agree that Gohan and Vegetto's beat down on Buu were boring and deprived on tension. I did love the part where Buu absorbed Gotenks, that was actually well thought out.
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Post by RandomGuy96 » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:43 pm

Gohan beating on Buu is necessary to establish his superiority and make Buu's later victory more surprising.

Vegetto's is just ass pull after ass pull, until the character himself is killed via another ass pull.
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He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
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