Confused about Buu.

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Confused about Buu.

Post by Bullza » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:01 pm

Another thing that loses me.

So there was originally Kid Buu, he absorbed the South Kaioshin and the Grand Kaioshin and became the Fat Buu. The Fat Buu took on the appearance resembling the Grand Kaioshin and his gentler nature, I'd guess that this would overwrite the appearance of the buff Buu.

Why is Buu still unintelligent though after absorbing these two characters when he was intelligent after absorbing Piccolo? Shouldn't Buu have Godly Ki if he absorbed the Kaioshin?

Anyway later Fat Buu splits into two character's, the good Buu resembles the Grand Kaioshin which makes sense but shouldn't the Evil Buu resemble Kid Buu? I don't get his appearance at all, also why is he Grey when the rest are Pink?

Evil Buu then turns Good Buu into candy and eats him which for some reason changes him again even though when he ate everyone else as candy nothing happened. Why was the amongst the others who'd been absorbed but Dabura wasn't?

Then later on when Vegeta rips Good Buu out of Super Buu he somehow turns back into another Buu that doesn't resemble the Evil Buu. So it's as though A+B = C but then C-A = D.

How did Buu go from being the Buff Buu to Kid Buu when there was no sign of the South Kaioshin inside Buu or him being pulled out, infact where was he? Are both Kaioshins somewhere inside the Good Buu? Why did nobody ever think to save them from the Good Buu?

Also strength wise shouldn't Kid Buu be weaker than Fat Buu? Fat Buu wasn't as dangerous but shouldn't he be Kid Buu + South Kaioshin + Grand Kaioshin in power? I've heard some say that Buu absorbing Grand Kaioshin weakened him but that was never said.

I've also seen people say Super Buu is as strong as Fat Buu in power just that his body was suited for battle and had a dangerous mindset.

Are the Good Buu and Evil Buu's power split from the Fat Buu?

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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by B » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:10 pm

Bullza wrote:Why is Buu still unintelligent though after absorbing these two characters when he was intelligent after absorbing Piccolo? Shouldn't Buu have Godly Ki if he absorbed the Kaioshin?
Evil Buu("Super Buu") absorbed Piccolo, Gotenks, etcetera. Genuine Buu("Kid Buu") absorbed the Kaioshin.
Bullza wrote:Anyway later Fat Buu splits into two character's, the good Buu resembles the Grand Kaioshin which makes sense but shouldn't the Evil Buu resemble Kid Buu? I don't get his appearance at all, also why is he Grey when the rest are Pink?
Genuine Buu is the original form of Buu. Pure Evil Buu, is just that, pure evil. They aren't the same. According to the Full Color Comics, Pure Evil Buu is an extremely dull pink. But if you ask me, I don't think it matters at all.
Bullza wrote:Evil Buu then turns Good Buu into candy and eats him which for some reason changes him again even though when he ate everyone else as candy nothing happened. Why was the amongst the others who'd been absorbed but Dabura wasn't?
I don't really understand the question here. If you're asking why he transformed, the simple answer is that Majin Buu is that powerful. If you're asking why Buu and Dabra kept their "shapes" when they became food, there's no particular reason for it. Buu has been shown to pretty much be able to do what he wants; he is magic.
Bullza wrote:How did Buu go from being the Buff Buu to Kid Buu when there was no sign of the South Kaioshin inside Buu or him being pulled out, infact where was he? Are both Kaioshins somewhere inside the Good Buu? Why did nobody ever think to save them from the Good Buu?
Fat Buu was forcibly ripped out of Evil Buu; a million complications could have happened.
Bullza wrote:Also strength wise shouldn't Kid Buu be weaker than Fat Buu? Fat Buu wasn't as dangerous but shouldn't he be Kid Buu + South Kaioshin + Grand Kaioshin in power? I've heard some say that Buu absorbing Grand Kaioshin weakened him but that was never said.
The Dai Kaioshin's presence subdued Buu's wild nature and thusly made him weaker. East Kaioshin says so himself.
Bullza wrote:Are the Good Buu and Evil Buu's power split from the Fat Buu?
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here either, but if you're asking about Fat Buu before all the forms and Fat Buu afterwards, there's never anything explicitly said or enough information given to tell who's stronger. I'd guess that there isn't a huge gap, but Fat Buu with his evil side is stronger.
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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Bullza » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:15 pm

The Dai Kaioshin's presence subdued Buu's wild nature and thusly made him weaker. East Kaioshin says so himself.


He never said it made him weaker, he said it just calmed him down so he could be controlled. Beforehand he was some untamed reckless creature who apparently destroys planets on a whim, that's why he's more dangerous but not necessarily more powerful.

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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Zephyr » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:31 pm

Answering these to the best of my ability:
Bullza wrote: 1. Shouldn't Buu have Godly Ki if he absorbed the Kaioshin?

2. ...shouldn't the Evil Buu resemble Kid Buu?

3. ...why is he Grey when the rest are Pink?

4. Why was he amongst the others who'd been absorbed but Dabura wasn't?

5. ...when Vegeta rips Good Buu out of Super Buu he somehow turns back into another Buu that doesn't resemble the Evil Buu.

6. How did Buu go from being the Buff Buu to Kid Buu when there was no sign of the South Kaioshin inside Buu or him being pulled out, infact where was he?

7. Are both Kaioshins somewhere inside the Good Buu?

8. Why did nobody ever think to save them from the Good Buu?

9. I've heard some say that Buu absorbing Grand Kaioshin weakened him but that was never said.

10. Are the Good Buu and Evil Buu's power split from the Fat Buu?
1. Does he get Saiyan or Namekian ki from absorbing Piccolo and the kids? Also, too much Godly ki seems to mess with Buu down to his very core, it just doesn't seem to jive with him. I don't see why he would be able to use it, let alone exude it.

2. Think of it more akin to when the son of Katatz and Piccolo split in two: it was an expulsion of the negative, evil essence, which became an evil mirrored doppleganger of sorts. With Buu, it becomes even more juxtaposed (fat vs skinny, good vs evil, ect).

3. Anime. But that also makes sense given the duality of them. Colorful vs dull.

4. Might be dub only, but I remember Buu mentioning that he let Mr. Buu get "special treatment". Either way, Buu being able to manage where the things he puts into his body go doesn't sound strange at all.

5. The Grey Buu was only there as an offshoot of his evilness, and this is what sets him apart from all of the other Buus. He wasn't his own individual, he was the evil half of one. Once he was re-merged, with the Evil Buu in control now, the Grey Buu was no more.

6. Just seemed to be regressing through the stages back to Pure Buu. Seems that the two Kaioshin had become permanently part of the Fat Buu, although their individual essence may have remained in some sort of tangible form. I like to imagine that the South Kaioshin's remaining essence was not as close to the "soil" inside of Buu's head as the Dai Kaioshin's remaining essence was, which is why it evaporated first.

7. If anything's left, I'd imagine it's just their minor essence, and I'd wager that both are inside of the Buu who now lives with Mr. Satan.

8. The two living Kaioshin seem to have been the only ones to know about their fate to begin with. Maybe since they didn't see them in there they didn't think there was anything left of them?

9. Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

10. When Fat Buu split into Grey Evil Buu and Mr. Buu, they both took their own portion of the power. Grey Evil Buu got a majority of the power.

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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Puto » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:36 pm

Bullza wrote:Why did nobody ever think to save them from the Good Buu?
Would they really want to risk ending up with another Kid Boo? The first one was a giant pain in the ass to kill in the first place.
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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Herms » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:41 pm

Zephyr wrote:4. Might be dub only, but I remember Buu mentioning that he let Mr. Buu get "special treatment". Either way, Buu being able to manage where the things he puts into his body go doesn't sound strange at all.
That's said in the original too. Presumably all the people Boo turned into candy and ate were simply, well, eaten. The good Boo was the only one to get absorbed like this ("special treatment"); everyone else just ended up in the Boo loo.
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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Bullza » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:56 pm

Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”


That's not what was said in the version I got. Elder Kaioshin says "So the souls he ate tamed him. Then this small Buu is the very first most difficult one?"

And Supreme Kai says "Yes he's lost the soul he gained. This Buu is evil incarnate."

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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Zephyr » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:10 am

Herms translates directly from the Japanese manga, if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by DannyDBZfanforever » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:12 am

I think Toriyama was too tired at this stage of the manga, he no longer cared much about the details.

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Post by Herms » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:16 am

Zephyr wrote:Herms translates directly from the Japanese manga, if I'm not mistaken.
Yeah. The Viz translation is a tad liberal there, with the talk of Boo eating souls and whatnot. Plus, the Japanese wording is kinda ambiguous about whether one or more absorptions lowered Boo's power, but Viz pretty much had to take a guess and put their penny down somewhere for their English translation (writing "absorption" in an actual speech balloon would look really weird).
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Re: Confused about Buu.

Post by Bullza » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:57 am

So which actually is it? It tamed him or it tamed and weakened him?

I always thought the former would make more sense because every other time he absorbed people it only added to his power, it's just Buu plus whoever he tacks on so with Grand Kaioshin it'd be the complete opposite if the latter were true.

Not just that but Goku said he could have beaten the Fat Buu and he was confident he could have beaten Kid Buu if he were fully charged so there couldn't be too much of a difference and I always thought that difference was the inclusion of the Grand Kaioshin's power.

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Post by Herms » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:12 am

Bullza wrote:So which actually is it? It tamed him or it tamed and weakened him?
It's just "weakened"; "tamed" is only a Viz thing.
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