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Supreme Kai Appreciation Thread

Post by Nikkolas » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:26 am

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I don't think this guy gets enough love.

Fact is, everyone blames everything on him when it was really Goku and Vegeta's fault. People don't even like to give him credit on being stronger than Piccolo even though Piccolo outright says it. I guess it's because people saw how nervous he was about Pui Pui and Yakon and so they interpret him as a pussy. Only, the guy has every reason to be scared of Babidi and his minions. All of Kaioshin's companions were slaughtered by Buu. When Supreme Kai looks at Pui Pui and Yakon, all he sees is a resurrected Buu.

And, for all the whining about him being "a pussy", what dd he do when faced with Fat Buu, the source of his nightmare and terror? He did the best he could and fought back. Bravery is not the absence of fear, but what you do with that fear.

Finally, am I alone in preferring the look of "Kaoshin" over "Kibitoshin?"

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Post by Eire » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:40 am

No, you are not alone. The moment they fused gave me worse childhood trauma than King Vegeta's infanticide, both Vegeta's deaths and mr. Popo combined.

The problem with Neptune is that his universe description doesn't match actions- he was lauded as super-hiper etc and after his non-duel with Piccolo everyone expected fireworks. Everything we got was him being bad news bearer and occasional driver. Well, one must deal with the fact that the only thing the almighty in this series can do is call real heroes, but as himself he at least tried to help, while after fusion he become completely passive standing with open mouth and doing what he is told to do- even Mr. Satan is more proactive than him. The fate of non-action guys in this series is quite miserable, but couldn't he serve as advisor, white mage, anything?
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Post by Saiga » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:56 am

He's definitely not blameless. He outright handed half of the energy needed to revive Boo to Babidi as part of his master plan. Should've just beat up Spopovich and Yamu and read their minds to find Babidi's location.
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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:12 am

He was one of my favorite childhood characters, played as him countless times in Super Butoden 3. He is GOD!!!
But rewatching the series later, it is a pitty that he haven't fought so much and him merging with Kibito was dissapointing. Tough now he is upgraded from Kaioshin to Kibitoshin and can teleport.
But he seemed cool before, as Kibitoshin he reminds me of butler for the heroes and not a God.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:27 am

All he basically did against Boo was fart in his face. I understand he's scared and all but at least try and actually fight instead of using the same sissy attack twice. Also, his strategies are stupid beyond belief. I mean, why would he just leave Boo's egg in the open like that instead of having Kibito I.T it to the land of the Kaioshins? Why would he let Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy when he could simply have them hunt those goons down and have them no choice but to retreat? They're not even that strong at all (22nd Budokai tier at best) and his lack of faith in the Saiyans is just ridiculous. If his people were/are anything like him (cowardly, irrational, selfish, borderline retarded etc.) then I'm glad they died/got absorbed.

....Oh, wait, this is an appreciation thread? Well, his battle managed to be one where I rooted for the villain to win for the first time. He was also the only character in Dragon Ball to make me legit angry, so much I started a thread about him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by MCDaveG » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:30 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:All he basically did against Boo was fart in his face. I understand he's scared and all but at least try and actually fight instead of using the same sissy attack twice. Also, his strategies are stupid beyond belief. I mean, why would he just leave Boo's egg in the open like that instead of having Kibito I.T it to the land of the Kaioshins? Why would he let Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy when he could simply have them hunt those goons down and have them no choice but to retreat? They're not even that strong at all (22nd Budokai tier at best) and his lack of faith in the Saiyans is just ridiculous. If his people were/are anything like him (cowardly, irrational, selfish, borderline retarded etc.) then I'm glad they died/got absorbed.

....Oh, wait, this is an appreciation thread? Well, his battle managed to be one where I rooted for the villain to win for the first time. He was also the only character in Dragon Ball to make me legit angry, so much I started a thread about him.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:49 am

MCDaveG wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:All he basically did against Boo was fart in his face. I understand he's scared and all but at least try and actually fight instead of using the same sissy attack twice. Also, his strategies are stupid beyond belief. I mean, why would he just leave Boo's egg in the open like that instead of having Kibito I.T it to the land of the Kaioshins? Why would he let Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy when he could simply have them hunt those goons down and have them no choice but to retreat? They're not even that strong at all (22nd Budokai tier at best) and his lack of faith in the Saiyans is just ridiculous. If his people were/are anything like him (cowardly, irrational, selfish, borderline retarded etc.) then I'm glad they died/got absorbed.

....Oh, wait, this is an appreciation thread? Well, his battle managed to be one where I rooted for the villain to win for the first time. He was also the only character in Dragon Ball to make me legit angry, so much I started a thread about him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Supreme Kai Appreciation Thread

Post by Nikkolas » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:52 am

Go make your own thread then.

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Re: Supreme Kai Appreciation Thread

Post by TheGmGoken » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:53 pm

Glad to see my idea is still going on. Such a wonderful character to use. I'm not a fan of Supreme Kai however it'll be nice to talk about some things I do like.

His design is very awesome. I love the clothing he wears. Looks very godly. His hair is a little wack but the white makes up for it.

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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:52 pm

Nikkolas wrote:Go make your own thread then.
Okay, I will.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Supreme Kai Appreciation Thread

Post by MCDaveG » Sat Nov 15, 2014 6:22 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
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DBZAOTA482 wrote:All he basically did against Boo was fart in his face. I understand he's scared and all but at least try and actually fight instead of using the same sissy attack twice. Also, his strategies are stupid beyond belief. I mean, why would he just leave Boo's egg in the open like that instead of having Kibito I.T it to the land of the Kaioshins? Why would he let Spopovich and Yamu steal Gohan's energy when he could simply have them hunt those goons down and have them no choice but to retreat? They're not even that strong at all (22nd Budokai tier at best) and his lack of faith in the Saiyans is just ridiculous. If his people were/are anything like him (cowardly, irrational, selfish, borderline retarded etc.) then I'm glad they died/got absorbed.

....Oh, wait, this is an appreciation thread? Well, his battle managed to be one where I rooted for the villain to win for the first time. He was also the only character in Dragon Ball to make me legit angry, so much I started a thread about him.
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I'm just venting over how awful a character Kaioshits is.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:30 pm

He's okay I guess. I do admit that Kibitoshin is pretty much useless and is nothing more then a plot device.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:21 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:He's okay I guess. I do admit that Kibitoshin is pretty much useless and is nothing more then a plot device.
....So basically nothing changed about him/them.
fadeddreams5 wrote:
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by Doctor. » Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:25 pm

Explained in a more comical way, this always bugged me.

Outside of a few mistakes here and there, he's alright I guess. His hairstyle and design is pretty neat.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:42 am

I've always liked the character. He always seemed to me as somewhat of a more "realistic" portrayal of how a real person would be affected by events such as those regularly encountered in the series. From an old post of mine:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:East Kaioshin was the youngest, weakest, and least experienced of all the Kaioshin. He lived in a time of peace, when suddenly, a monster appeared out of nowhere, and killed all of his peers. He got lucky, and managed to ensure that the monster got sealed, but lacked the power to destroy it. So he hides it on Earth.

Kaioshin spends the next several thousand years doing the job of four Kaioshin's; something he obviously was not prepared for. For all of these years, the images of his dead friends (family?) are seared into his brain. He knows that, at any time, there is a chance that the monster can be awakened.

Thousands of years later, he finds out that the wizard who created the monster had a son, who is also a powerful magician. He knows that the son's goal is to free his father's creation. So, he sets out to find Babidi, while neglecting his observation of the universe. As a consequence, he is unaware of the growing power of the Saiyans on Earth.

He arrives on Earth, and, while outwardly appearing confident and mysterious, on the inside he is torn. He chooses to take a gamble, allowing a powerful fighter to fall in order to follow Babidi's minions back to his ship. Along the way, he gains powerful allies in the Saiyans, but due to his focusing on finding Babidi, he is unaware of their true strength.

They arrive at the ship, and Kaioshin sees the ruler of the Demon Realm, enslaved by Babidi. He notices that Babidi's henchmen all have the same "M" symbol that the monster did. Kaioshin, overwhelmed by his memories of the past, starts behaving irrationally, doubting the powers of his comrades, and overestimating his enemies, due to their association with the monster. He is further shaken when his allies, who are mere mortals, prove to be even stronger than he himself, the god of gods, is. In only a few hours on Earth, his entire perception of his place in the universe has been shaken, and he is clearly out of his depth.

So, in conclusion, Kaioshin has a massive case of PTSD, and it's amplified by seeing foes who have some relation to Majin Buu.
I feel that too often people dismiss the context of Kaioshin's erratic behavior in their eagerness to point out how "stupid" he is. The point is, he's not behaving rationally. He's totally helpless in a situation far beyond his control that he feels personally responisble for. From another old post:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:I wouldn't say so much that he is dumb, instead he seems more like he's out of his depth. Remember, at the time of Buu's creation, he was the youngest, weakest, and least experienced of the Kaioshins. Then suddenly all the responsibility for overseeing the entire universe falls on him alone.
Fast forward to the present. The son of the man who created the monster that killed his friends/family is trying to revive said monster. He finds these mortals who he had never noticed before, and are much stronger than he, the god of gods, is. He spends most of his time on Earth in denial of their strength, and overestimates his enemies because they are associated with Buu.
Later on, when he sees that there may be a chance to win, of course he tries to join in the fight. He wants to be there when Buu is defeated; he alone knows how much of a monster Buu truly is, and wants to be a part of the victory against the monster he has been terrified of for millenia. It's totally natural for him to want to contribute.

He's irrational throughout the arc due to his overwhelming fear of Buu, but that does not make him a dumb character.
Just before someone brings up him wanting to fight Buu after fusing as another chance to call him "stupid."

I don't generally like using GT, but his portrayal there is much more competent. People joke that he is terrified of anything with an "M" on it, and that's actually true, to a much closer degree than these people may think.

Anywho, enough about his character.

I really like his design (as well as the designs of most of the Kaioshin in general; West Kaioshin remains my third favorite character design in the series after Piccolo and 23rd Budokai Chi-Chi.) He gives us a bit of character development for Piccolo, which is nice, and he is an interesting, mysterious character upon his debut.
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Post by DarkPrince_92 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:48 am

I love his design. His first appearance was amazing to me. He was mysterious. I liked him up to the point where Dabura kills Kibito... then he was a whiny... let's not get into it.

He's like Future Trunks to me. He was only cool when he first came on the scene. However, Future Trunks ended things on a good note.
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Post by Hellspawn28 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:30 am

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:He's okay I guess. I do admit that Kibitoshin is pretty much useless and is nothing more then a plot device.
....So basically nothing changed about him/them.
He's pretty much the same character after fusing into Kibito. The only useful thing that he did was help save Goku and the others from Kid Buu from blowing up the Earth before they can be caught in the blast and save Goku in GT. Other then that, he's pretty much useless.
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Re: Supreme Kai Appreciation Thread

Post by Nikkolas » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:05 am

A useless character in DBZ????

So....90% of the characters in DBZ.

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Post by Jackal puFF » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:37 am

To be honest it's really hard to appreciate this character. It makes me want to make a depreciate thread.

But, since this isn't one.. It was cool to see another godly like figure appear in the show besides King Kai and Yemma. Toriyama kind of trolling us that he's intimidating by having Piccolo scared of him but he turns out to be the complete opposite of that. His mohawk was cool while it lasted. There are quite a lot of characters with mohawks now that I think of it..

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Post by SSJ God Gogeta » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:55 am

I like King Kai way more then him.
But he's alright I guess.
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