Guldo's Time Freeze & The Galactic Patrol

[Gyt Kaliba]

So this occurred to me while at work earlier today, since I'm currently working on re-watching Kai (since I haven't watched it in a long while, and haven't seen 'Season Four' since it aired on Nicktoons) and got through the Ginyu Force material. Guldo's time freeze isn't technically time travel, since he's just halting time for extremely limited amounts of time, and not actually traveling through it per say...but it's still something related to the flow of time. Do you think the use of this technique is something that would potentially concern the Galacic Patrol/Time Patrol, since it is messing with the flow of time, or would it be considered far too minor to be worth concerning themselves with?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't know about Xenoverse, but the issue in DBO is that the Time Storage Vault has a limited amount of space for what it can hold. Traveling to the past and altering it causes the timelines to split as a prevention for paradoxes, but that fills up the vault. If the vault exceeds it's limits, the universe ceases to be.

But, just like with Omori's time machine in Jaco, Ghurd's ability doesn't allow him to actually go to the past and alter things that have already happened. Depending on how you look at it, he's just changing how everyone experiences the passage of time by either slowing everyone else down, or speeding himself up (same thing really). This wouldn't cause a paradox and thus there shouldn't be any danger in it.

[Herms]

Do you think the use of this technique is something that would potentially concern the Galacic Patrol/Time Patrol, since it is messing with the flow of time, or would it be considered far too minor to be worth concerning themselves with?

It's probably small potatoes compared with the fact that Gurd's day job is helping Freeza, Ginyu, and the others commit genocide on a galactic scale. The Galactic Patrol presumably considers all of Freeza's goons to be criminals of the highest class, even if they lack the power to really do much about it.

[Blade]

Do you think the use of this technique is something that would potentially concern the Galacic Patrol/Time Patrol, since it is messing with the flow of time, or would it be considered far too minor to be worth concerning themselves with?

It's probably small potatoes compared with the fact that Gurd's day job is helping Freeza, Ginyu, and the others commit genocide on a galactic scale. The Galactic Patrol presumably considers all of Freeza's goons to be criminals of the highest class, even if they lack the power to really do much about it.

Yeah, I think this pretty much nails it. Whilst the Galactic Patrol are probably unhappy about his ability, they're somewhat powerless to do anything about it, as even if they could get a hold of him on his own, Guldo is probably out of their league in terms of strength if the idea of taking on an average fully grown Saiyan is too great of a prospect to deal with.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Somehow while thinking about this I managed to completely overlook the whole 'Freeza and his men are way too much for them to deal with' thing, oi.

I don't know about Xenoverse, but the issue in DBO is that the Time Storage Vault has a limited amount of space for what it can hold. Traveling to the past and altering it causes the timelines to split as a prevention for paradoxes, but that fills up the vault. If the vault exceeds it's limits, the universe ceases to be.

But, just like with Omori's time machine in Jaco, Ghurd's ability doesn't allow him to actually go to the past and alter things that have already happened. Depending on how you look at it, he's just changing how everyone experiences the passage of time by either slowing everyone else down, or speeding himself up (same thing really). This wouldn't cause a paradox and thus there shouldn't be any danger in it.

Ohhh, all right. So it's not really that time travel in general is the problem, it's just the catalyst for what the real problem is. Is there any given indication about how many different timelines there are supposed to be then? I mean, just with the in-series stuff with Trunks alone, there's three, but I'm guessing even that's a pretty low number.

[RandomGuy96]

I doubt that he's literally freezing time when he does that.

[mAcChaos]

We never see what it appears like to the people outside of Guldo's attack; I always figured they were just stunned or fooled into thinking that time had stopped. They are not literally frozen in time.

[Saiga]

Doesn't it actually stop the energy blasts of Gohan and Kuririn?

[RandomGuy96]

So, apparently, Daizenshuu 4 confirms that he actually does stop time rather than just moving really fast briefly:

Time Stop
First Appearance: Chapter 273
Category: special
People: Gurudo
Special Characteristics: Gurudo’s unique technique. Using his physic powers, he is able to stop time. Using this, he can stop his opponent’s movement when they launch attacks, avoid attacks, hide himself somewhere, and conceal himself from his opponent. However, this technique has some weaknesses. First, he cannot stop time for a very long period. Also, the stamina this consumes is intense, and if he uses it continuously he will use up all his power. However, it seems this is because Gurudo’s power is low.

I'm not sure if I buy that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Doesn't the manga itself confirm that Gurd is stopping time, and isn't just moving very fast?

[Gyt Kaliba]

Wouldn't it have to be him stopping time rather than just moving really fast though, given how it's presented to us? Not to mention, that would kind of rebuke Burter's claim of being the fastest in the universe...though granted that's already kind of a big question mark, given Ginyu and Freeza.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's Dragon Ball and I don't expect it to make scientific sense most of the time, but I'm going to chalk this one up to to some Toryama version of quasi-relativity. Will just assume that he uses his psychic powers to mind fuck himself into experiencing time at a faster time frame than those around him. So he's still moving at the the exact same speed, just over a much, much shorter period of time.

Ohhh, all right. So it's not really that time travel in general is the problem, it's just the catalyst for what the real problem is. Is there any given indication about how many different timelines there are supposed to be then? I mean, just with the in-series stuff with Trunks alone, there's three, but I'm guessing even that's a pretty low number.

DBO and Jaco don't fit in the same continuity, but if you make a minor change or two to adapt to the retcons, I'm going to guess around 10 at least?

--Will Assume that someone split the timelines at least once to make them aware that the process was dangerous in Jaco.
--The manga has 3-4 timelines.
--DBO has 4 TLQ where you fall through rifts and end up tweaking the past by accident as a kid.

There are around another 15 time travel trips in the DBO's TMQs and background info, but I don't know if those split the timeline or not. There are implications that traveling with the Time Kaioshin's scroll (Book of Endings and Beginnings in Xenoverse) may not split the timelines. In DBO at least, Trunks tracks the bad guys via the disturbances when they travel and cause a split, but there appear to be trips he wasn't aware of (like Mira saving Bardock). Also, it would be kind of stupid for the TIme Kaioshin to recruit Trunks to save history by time traveling if his machine was going to cause splits in the process.

I dunno. It's all very complicated and I don't fully understand it. I hope Xenoverse is nice enough to clarify some of this...

[Saiga]

I'm pretty sure he was standing still while Gohan and Kuririn's blasts were frozen.

I can't see it being anything but stopping time.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Still moving, planet's rotate. =P

[Saiga]

Still moving, planet's rotate. =P

While time flows, yes.

[Gyt Kaliba]

Huh...you know, that actually raises another question. Exactly how far does Guldo's technique extend anyway? Is all time, everywhere, stopped for the brief moment he can hold his breath, or is it only over a limited area?

DBO and Jaco don't fit in the same continuity, but if you make a minor change or two to adapt to the retcons, I'm going to guess around 10 at least?

True enough, though now with Xenoverse, some of those DBO elements will coincide with Jaco...well, in-so-far as Xenoverse is concerned. And Jaco's probably there just as a bonus, and nothing will actually be brought up about his opposition to time travel probably. Grr.

I dunno. It's all very complicated and I don't fully understand it. I hope Xenoverse is nice enough to clarify some of this...

You and me both.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Still moving, planet's rotate. =P

While time flows, yes.

With my previous suggestion, time never actually stops. The relativity thing can still come into play because even though Ghurd himself isn't really in motion when he "freezes" things and changes everyone's perception, the universe itself is moving, and thus so is he.

Huh...you know, that actually raises another question. Exactly how far does Guldo's technique extend anyway? Is all time, everywhere, stopped for the brief moment he can hold his breath, or is it only over a limited area?

This right here is exactly why I prefer my half-assed relativity theory. Both options feel really strange.

Also, isn't it only in the anime where he needs to hold his breath? I don't really remember at this point.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

^Gurd does that in the manga as well.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You sure? I just checked it, and while there are instances of him panting, it seems more like it is because the technique exhausts him? None of the manga guides I checked mention the breath thing either. :/

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Gurd stopping time by holding his breath is anime-only. In the manga, he just stops time, which drains his ki.