Comparison of human and saiyan behaviour

[dbzfan7]

Well since this was appearing in the wrong thread, I decided to make this it's own thread. Are humans really comparable to saiyans? Are we as savage or bloodthirsty? Are we that much different? Do several of us humans enjoy fighting to the death? Well this is the place now to draw the comparisons between saiyans and our real life human race.

[LordCrumb]

This could end up going south very, very fast.

But if we must... ok!

"Several" ?! Hmmm..

Just a few off the top of my head;

- ISIS loves to behead people with machetes and knives without mercy, torture innocent people with bayonets, and line people up next to ditches and rivers and expel their brains, and most recently petrol to burn people alive in cages.
- Russia practically breeds serial killers
- The Nazis
- The Japanese torture and rape of the Chinese
- The slaughter of Native Americans
- The slaughter and hunting of Aborigines by Australian colonies
- Gladiators of Rome
- Vlad the Impaler

... enough?

[Rocketman]

- Gladiators of Rome

Roman gladiatorial games very rarely ended in death. Gladiators were the football stars of their day - they starred in advertisements for products, they had action figures (with accessories like the gladiator's preferred weapon), there was even a periodical magazine that listed their stats.

This meant they were huge moneymakers, and nobody wanted to kill off their prize fighter. Sure, people died in the arena, but they die playing football too.

- Vlad the Impaler

Vlad, while certainly brutal, wasn't as bad as he's been made to seem. See, most of his victims were the rich nobles; Vlad was something of a populist, so if a noble was oppressing his peasants, Vlad would intervene and torture said noble to death. Or if you tried to sell him out to the Turks, he'd torture you to death. Or if you were a Turk and trying to invade his country, he'd.. well, you know.

But nobles write the books, so they squealed to the other crowns of Europe about how terrible Vlad Dracul was until it passed into legend, and eventually got combined with the tales of vampires.

[LordCrumb]

^ Nothing about the Nazis and ISIS? lol

[DBZAOTA482]

Yes, yes we are. Saiyans are simply more deceptive to it than us due to their natural lust for battle, and their environment.

[Attitudefan]

Vikings!

The Chinese persecuting Tibetan and other ethnic and religious groups.

Spartans loved blood and warfare. The crusaders and even the Muslim empire loved to fight non believers and to all kinds of terrible things.

Many native tribes that practiced cannibalism and scalping.

The mongols, considering 1/3 of every living being is related to Genghis Kahn alone. Imagine how many people are related to his underlings and soldiers...

The Assyrians were considered the most violent empire in history and I would not be surprised if they inspired the Saiyans. The kings encouraged legal rape and murder. Their only income was killing, no joke. Watch a documentary on them, they were the super immoral and blood thirsty.

Our morals change are socially constructed, not because humans are inherently moral. It also is important to define morality since morals are different among every generation and civilization. What we consider moral, such as the treatment of criminals and women, would have been seen and immoral in another culture or civilization.

[ss4songoku]

If you think about it almost every saiyan to have ever existed was born a bloodthirsty killer that enjoyed fighting more than anything else. There may be a lot of evil humans but there are also a lot who are fairly good natured and most don't like to fight.

[Eire]

Liking fighting and being a nice person is not mutually exclusive.
What is more- for the better part of human civilisation saw a fellow human only in members of the same society/ class/ethnic group, while the rest was expendable at best.
So you could be a perfect noble who regularly attends Church, adores his wife, dotes on children, help every neighbour in need but also abuse his serfs and slaughter people during war. And still consider himself and be considered a good person. Even if he happened to serve to the Mass wihout washing blood from his hand. But he was so charming when he wrote how his wife will enjoy the rings he had taken as a spoils of war and that he is finally able to provide his stepdaughter with generous dowry so she can enter the convent of choice.

Studying history I found that my morals have very little in common with my ancestors 200 years ago. Not to mention older/foreign cultures. So I see no point in giving our morality to alien species. To be fair one of the things that appealed to me in Sayians was their ruthlessness and latest attempt to soften them didn't earn my approval.

[rereboy]

Well since this was appearing in the wrong thread, I decided to make this it's own thread. Are humans really comparable to saiyans? Are we as savage or bloodthirsty? Are we that much different? Do several of us humans enjoy fighting to the death? Well this is the place now to draw the comparisons between saiyans and our real life human race.

I believe that humans show a much bigger diversity in behavior and mentality than Saiyans, mainly because Saiyans appear in a simplistic story that has them being pretty much just one tone. If Saiyans were a real race, they would be more diverse.

However, at their worst, humans are pretty comparable to Saiyans, even though Saiyans are worse. Genocide, conquest and slavery are all very common occurrences in human history and documented and proven ways to gain riches and power (not unlike the Saiyans).

Recently, stuff like that has become much less common but those type of things are closer than we think. If we take two 80 year old ladies and put their lives back to back (160 years), we would be in 1855, a time where slavery was still legal in the USA. That's all that separates nowadays americans from the complete exploitation and objectification of another race of fellow humans: two 80 year old ladies.

So, in short, humans are capable of awesome things and a great deal of good, but also of terrible things. Overall, mankind in general, in recent history, has moved further away from the Saiyans, but we are not as far from them as people might think, at all.

[ABED]

Comparable, sure. We can compare and contrast the two races, but Saiyans seem to be bloodthirsty by nature. They've probably never had prolonged periods of peace. They've constantly been at war and conquering. Many human cultures have had prolonged periods of peace or only fought wars in self defense or defense of allies. Saiyans were always the initiators as far as we're shown in the manga and the series.

[Friezacooler]

Manga wise Saiyan's are more peaceful in nature than earthlings, anime wise even the good hearted Saiyan's same to be destructive (vegeta).

[ABED]

Manga wise Saiyan's are more peaceful in nature than earthlings

How do you figure?

[Friezacooler]

The only saiyan that was on the same level as Paul Tibbets was Nappa. While all the other Saiyan feats of wiping out civilisations are mostly from the Anime.

[Hellspawn28]

In the Dragon Ball world, Humans seem to be tamer then Saiyans. In our world, humans are almost as bad. I would imagine once the human race reaches perfect space travel and can go to other Planets then we would end up killing other life forms and taking over other Planets similar how people would do to other countries centuries ago.

[ABED]

The only saiyan that was on the same level as Paul Tibbets was Nappa. While all the other Saiyan feats of wiping out civilisations are mostly from the Anime.

No, that's in the manga. We don't see it, but we are told that they did it as a way of life.

I disagree vehemently that dropping the atom bomb was immoral. It helped end the war, saving millions, including the Japanese who would've died in ground troop invasion. The atom bomb was about bringing a quick end to the war, it wasn't about wiping out a civilization. Last, but not least, the Japanese were the aggressors.

In the Dragon Ball world, Humans seem to be tamer then Saiyans. In our world, humans are almost as bad. I would imagine once the human race reaches perfect space travel and can go to other Planets then we would end up killing other life forms and taking over other Planets similar how people would do to other countries centuries ago.

The people who would be able to achieve interstellar travel won't be conquerors or savages. The travelers will likely be scientists. I don't see it playing out like Avatar.

[Hellspawn28]

^ Nothing about the Nazis and ISIS? lol

I'm surprise you didn't listed down the Ottoman Empire, Stalin and Mao .

[Kamiccolo9]

Last, but not least, the Japanese were the aggressors.

Coming from someone who makes a living out of studying this particular era of Japanese history, I would highly suggest not throwing that word around lightly. Imperial Japan was in no way a benevolent, cuddly state, but it was also not this frothing-at-the-mouth, attacking everyone just for the hell of it bunch of sadists that it often gets portrayed as. Justifying any argument involving this subject by attributing the conflict to Japan being aggressors is showing a blatant disregard for the pressures that put them in that position in the first place. No one was innocent in that situation.

[ABED]

Last, but not least, the Japanese were the aggressors.<br abp="693">

<br abp="694">Coming from someone who makes a living out of studying this particular era of Japanese history, I would highly suggest not throwing that word around lightly. Imperial Japan was in no way a benevolent, cuddly state, but it was also not this frothing-at-the-mouth, attacking everyone just for the hell of it bunch of sadists that it often gets portrayed as. Justifying any argument involving this subject by attributing the conflict to Japan being aggressors is showing a blatant disregard for the pressures that put them in that position in the first place. No one was innocent in that situation.

They bombed Pearl Harbor, there's nothing controversial in that statement, ergo, aggressors. That's all that was meant by that choice of wording and it's generally understood in the context of war that the party that attacks first is referred to as the "aggressor".

[Kamiccolo9]

They bombed Pearl Harbor, there's nothing controversial in that statement, ergo, aggressors. That's all that was meant by that choice of wording and it's generally understood in the context of war that the party that attacks first is referred to as the "aggressor".

Define "attacked." Because the U.S. was disrupting Japanese affairs long before Pearl Harbor was bombed. You can argue whether it was justified or not, but in no way was the bombing unprovoked.

[Rocketman]

Literal Nazis were disturbed by the atrocities Japan committed in China. Throwing babies in the air and catching them with bayonets, that kind of shit.