Why is there such a demand for an "Evil" Goku?

[MarCas92]

I get the appeal. Ever since the dawn of story telling, having an antagonist as a foil to the protagonist has been a classic and compelling narrative choice that can help develop characters. Usually, a villain that plays opposite to the hero is similar in one aspect and has everything else be different or have everything the same, but for one thing that makes them different. I know there are lots of variations and this may be over simplifying, but it's true for the most part.

The thing is, we already got types of Evil Goku's. In fact, we've had several: Raditz,Vegeta,Tullece and Broly.

However, these villains don't stand out as evil counterparts (except maybe Tullece for the aesthetic reasons) that much because they just have a few minor traits similar to Goku but nothing too significant.

You see the problem with the idea of an Evil Goku, and the reason we'll probably never get one, is that, Goku doesn't have any insecurities. Now why does that matter? Well, if you look at Tullece, he is clearly an evil Goku but there really isn't anything he can do other than challenge Goku physically. Goku knows who he is and is 100% comfortable in his own skin. Now, if Goku was a more nuanced character you could have him struggle with the fact that he could one day become Tullece or that he isn't strong enough to protect his loved ones because his kindness is holding him back etc.

The basis of all DB conflicts, for the most part, always come down too "Am I strong enough to beat this guy?". Rarely does a character have any moral or internal struggles at the same time as the fight. So what do they think an "Evil Goku" can bring to the table?

[fadeddreams5]

There's a demand for an Evil Goku character? News to me.

[sintzu]

It think people want it cause it's something that hasn't been done and it could be good depending on who's writing but I'd rather get new villains.

[MarCas92]

There's a demand for an Evil Goku character? News to me.

Go to Youtube and type in "Evil Goku". Also, when the new movie was announced, I can't tell you how many people were saying the villain was going to be "Evil Goku".

[fadeddreams5]

There's a demand for an Evil Goku character? News to me.

Go to Youtube and type in "Evil Goku". Also, when the new movie was announced, I can't tell you how many people were saying the villain was going to be "Evil Goku".

Oh yeah. I think I read some comments like that.

Me, I'd like a literal Evil Goku for a one-shot manga--as in, he hits his head or a wish goes wrong. But comedic evil. He'd still keep his naive and ignorant traits, making him an incompetent villain (or just over-the-top). Also, giving Vegeta a reason to beat him up.

[Kakacarrottop]

if you look at Tullece, he is clearly an evil Goku

Not in a literal sense he isn't. It's not as if he's some time travelling Goku from an alternate reality. If he really was 'evil Goku' then Movie 3 wouldn't be centered around some Tree.

[Cure Dragon 255]

I literally never heard of this demand until you made this thread. I'm honestly puzzled by this,like you are. Except I dont why is there SUCH a demand.I would love to ask why do people ask this at all. If there was an evil Goku no one but Goku could defeat him so the "Might let other have something to do" is out. I definitely dont see any potential for this plotline.I'm very dumb and uninmaginative so feel free to tell me if you DO see potential though.

[Lord Beerus]

if you look at Tullece, he is clearly an evil Goku

Not in a literal sense he isn't. It's not as if he's some time travelling Goku from an alternate reality. If he really was 'evil Goku' then Movie 3 wouldn't be centered around some Tree.

Toei Animation stated that Turles' physical similarities to Goku are not coincidental, and that Turles was intended as an alternate version of him. Turles was developed as a version of Goku if Goku had not bumped his head and forgotten his purpose.

Turles is "Evil" Goku.

And quite frankly the whole "Evil" counterpart story trope is so overdone and these days, it's rarely executed well.

[Kakacarrottop]

if you look at Tullece, he is clearly an evil Goku

Not in a literal sense he isn't. It's not as if he's some time travelling Goku from an alternate reality. If he really was 'evil Goku' then Movie 3 wouldn't be centered around some Tree.

Toei Animation stated that Tullece' physical similarities to Goku are not coincidental, and that Tullece was intended as an alternate version of him. Tullece was developed as a version of Goku if Goku had not bumped his head and forgotten his purpose.

Tullece is "Evil" Goku.

But he is not the same person from an in-universe perspective. Toei's intentions for the character are irrelevant since the film makes no mention of him being an alternate Goku. Currently Goku and Turles are in the same boat as Garlic jr and Pilaf, simply unexplained lookalikes


As it stands this is the actual evil Goku (from when King Kai tells Goku about the Saiyans). Tullece's darker skin tone is a dead giveaway that he is not the same person.

[Hellspawn28]

There's a demand for an Evil Goku character? News to me.

There has been for a long time now. I remember a New Grounds flash video from the early 2000's had Goku fighting Evil Goku and was a very popular video on that web site. That could have inspire the idea.

[ekrolo2]

I think a comedic Evil Goku would be pretty funny if done right, like his evil plan is to eat all the world's food because he's hungry and evil and because he can! Or something along those lines.

[Dayspring]

It's the classic Mirror Image trope. It's why the most popular Superman adaptations are all evil.

[Vijay]

I think a comedic Evil Goku would be pretty funny if done right, like his evil plan is to eat all the world's food because he's hungry and evil and because he can! Or something along those lines.

More like a Buu version of Goku. Eating candies etc

On topic: Evil Goku can exist if he's unstable character like Light (DN). Having moral viewpoints & internal struggles, hence an evil side is born.

Goku is pureness redefined. The guy doesnt choose to be a good guy. His moral viewpoints are simple. Light or Darkness. Good or Bad.

With that, I'd say Evil Goku is obviously cool idea on paper, yet its execution would be underwhelming. He'd get bland very soon & the badassery level just wont be the same anymore. Sure, guys like Killua (HXH2011) & Sesshoumaru (Inuyasha) were brutal motherfuckers during their Intro's, which were part of their appeal for me, but later on, the "Evil" side simply gets rinsed away after like 70+ episodes.

[ssjjanemba]

Because people are sick of "good" Goku?

[Dyno]

We already have T-U-R-L-E-S, why there is still a demand for "Evil" Kakarot?

[Doctor.]

We already have T-U-R-L-E-S, why there is still a demand for "Evil" Kakarot?

Maybe because Tullece isn't canon and people want a canon version?

I dunno, dumbfounds me too.

[DBZAOTA482]

All this talk about "Evil Goku" reminds me of that old unfinished (I think) fan series about when Goku fights his evil doppleganger on Newgrounds.

[Kakacarrottop]

We already have T-U-R-L-E-S, why there is still a demand for "Evil" Kakarot?

Maybe because Tullece isn't canon and people want a canon version?

Canon Evil Goku = Ginyu in Goku's body

[Dyno]

Maybe because Tullece isn't canon and people want a canon version?

I dunno, dumbfounds me too.

Now that would be something unnecessary. It is okay for many people who are curious to know/see a bad version of the protagonist, but if there is already one, even if it's from a non-canon material, there's no need to exist another one in the main continuity. Well... For all that matters, Dragon Ball Heroes brought an "Evil" Kakarot (Actually it is Ginyu in Kakarot's body inspired by Xenoverse), I recommend you guys to see it.

[Deathbringer]

Isn't the entire Saiyan race basically just a load of evil Gokus? The way that they're both so similar and so different to Goku has always been interesting since they represent what Goku would have been if Freeza never blew up Planet Vegeta and if Goku was never sent to Earth. Also having a character's personality start and end at "evil Goku" would be pretty unimaginative and boring, Vegeta is not the same as Goku at all since he is spoiled royalty, incredibly pompous and proud so he does serve as a foil to Goku but he is not "evil Goku", he's much more interesting than that and he even has a good character arc and changes to be good which is another reason why evil Goku is pointless because we've already had an evil Saiyan so why bother doing the same thing but with much less depth?