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What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Son Kai » Sun May 24, 2015 11:12 pm

I would like to know what are the defects of the anime in your opinion! Defects in the plot,simple niptickings,and others!
I hate I hate the fact that androids are stronger than Freeza, because the Terrans had not enough technology to arrive in Namek but Freeza yes! And after all,androids that can defeat Frieza with a single-arm are created from a primitive technology by Maki Gero.
Akira used a "Deus Ex Machina" (The term has evolved to mean a plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem is suddenly and abruptly resolved by the contrived and unexpected intervention of some new event, character, ability or object) to justify the skills of Cell,which was able to use the ability of other warriors because of a simple robotic insect,The Hiperbolic Time Chamber is a "Deus Ex Machina" too.
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Sun May 24, 2015 11:17 pm

The anime is badly paced, the dub I grew up with is subpar, there is an excessive amount of bad filler that is intertwined with the material I actually care about rather than being in its own arc, the quality of animation is inconsistent, the anime feels the need to add material that blatantly contradicts the manga, the dub's "special music situation" has led to a divide in the fanbase that shouldn't be a thing, there isn't a good, easily available home release, and, in my opinion, the source material, while charming in its own way, isn't nearly as good as its popularity would make it out to be.

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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Chuquita » Sun May 24, 2015 11:23 pm

The rules of the balls themselves have made death too cheap so any sense of urgency regarding the characters' lives is dampened after a while.
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 25, 2015 2:08 pm

- Death is a slap on the wrist
- The Room Of Time and Spirit and the Namekian Dragon Balls are basically Deus Ex Machina
- The dub significantly re-writes several characters from their original portrayal
- The anime is horribly paced
- Filler intertwined into the plot (Bulma/GinyuFrog)
- The western soundtrack for the anime is pretty bad

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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Doctor. » Mon May 25, 2015 2:45 pm

- The anime is a terrible adaptation, due to slow pacing, bad animation for most of the time and filler, and Kai, though an improvement, doesn't do the manga much justice either.
- The first Funimation dub is completely horrendous and so are their replacement scores.
- Death has almost no meaning at all.
- The Room of Spirit and Time was basically a huge asspull.
- Plenty of inconsistencies, retcons and unanswered questions all around the board (I'd go as far to say a few plot holes too, though I kinda try not to, since a "plot hole" is a very loose term).
- The Boo arc is extremely chaotic, and though that makes a fun story-line, it makes it an extremely poor written one, too.
- Save for Freeza (and Beerus, if you want to call him a villain), the rest of the villains are extremely generic and lack the same kind of charm these two do. Most of them lack depth, are surrounded with bad writing and some are just rehashes of what came before it.
- The art around the Boo arc (and even the Cell arc) started getting pretty sloppy and less detailed. Luckily, the Kanzenban somewhat fixes the sloppy arc around the end of the Boo arc.
- Character faces are very similar when it comes to Human/Saiyan characters, with the only distinctive features being the hair and clothes (maybe some scars) some times.
- Planet Namek itself was a massive disappointment in terms of environment and world building.
- The spotlight being shifted to the Saiyans around the time Cell achieves his Perfect form.
- Though it isn't as big of a problem as many people like to make it out to be, it's still true the fights shifted more from hand-to-hand to more beam based attacks. Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' seem to have fixed this and returned it to its roots, though.

Off of the top of my head.

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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon May 25, 2015 2:56 pm

Miscellaneous:
> Certain filler ruin the pacing of the show. But I guess Kai exists for a reason.
> As mentioned, having two sets of dragon balls and a being that can reverse time is ridiculous.
> The way Gohan has been treated after the Cell Games.

Cell saga:
> Mr. Satan and crew were ****ing annoying in the Cell Games. It's like Toriyama felt a necessity to add gag no matter what, so he forcefully threw them in there. It created a very polarizing effect that took away from the action.

> I also dislike that Gero is regular human with primitive technology, yet is able to create beings stronger than not only the most feared alien in the universe, but also mythical beings of legend (SSJs). Cell being as strong as he is makes sense. This could have been fixed by establishing the brief fact that Gero is using alien technology or something.

> Gohan's lack of connection with the main villain. There was no build up AT ALL for his transformation. Really, he was a side character for the entire arc. It came out of nowhere.

> So many plot holes, particularly involving Trunks' timeline. Like, why wasn't he told of the RoSAT?

Buu saga:
> I hate how SSJ2 became a thing. SSJ3 looks amazingly cool, but there honestly was no point in having it. It also served as a catalyst for bad fan art.

> Goten is a terrible character.

> Goten and Trunks being SSJs killed me on the inside.

> Gotenks was an annoying ****.

> Gohan not training was so stupid. His character was okay, but his cool factor decreased so much until he became mystic.

> Gohan not beating Buu was a slap in the face.

> Fat Buu was an incredibly lame villain, and yet another slap in the face for people who loved Cell.

> Let me be blunt, the saga was padded (Buu was NEVER really a threat, but they decided to continue to increase the length of the story), and had many bad ideas. Ironically, my favorite part of the saga was the most contrived bit: Kid Buu arc. An arc made solely to make Goku the hero. Still, the Buu saga is better than everything that's come after it.

Not going to touch on GT, the specials, or the movies.
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 25, 2015 3:30 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Lord Beerus wrote: - The western soundtrack for the anime is pretty bad
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Hey, I have complimented some of the tracks from western composers for the show. But as a whole, the western soundtrack for the anime is very, very, very subpar.
So many plot holes, particularly involving Trunks' timeline. Like, why wasn't he told of the RoSAT?

Simple. Kami was dead while Trunks was an infant and Mr Popo would in no way risk his life and leave the lookout when two killer androids are on the loose. Then you add in the fact that Bulma had no idea that the ROSAT even existed by that point.

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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Mon May 25, 2015 3:39 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: Hey, I have complimented some of the tracks from western composers for the show. But as a whole, the western soundtrack for the anime is very, very, very subpar.
Those are good selections.

But, but...Pikkon's theme! And Trunks Appears. And, and... Super Buu theme? :'(
Simple. Kami was dead while Trunks was an infant and Mr Popo would in no way risk his life and leave the lookout when two killer androids are on the loose. Then you add in the fact that Bulma had no idea that the ROSAT even existed by that point.
Couldn't Goku contact him from the other world? Why didn't Trunks ever even bother to go to the lookout? Pretty safe up there. I'm sure Bulma knew about it. >_>;
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Doctor. » Mon May 25, 2015 3:46 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:Couldn't Goku contact him from the other world? Why didn't Trunks ever even bother to go to the lookout? Pretty safe up there. I'm sure Bulma knew about it. >_>;
Goku isn't exactly the sharpest crayon in thee box, to be fair, and Bulma didn't know about the lookout until Imperfect Cell showed up, iirc.

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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Lord Beerus » Mon May 25, 2015 3:57 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:But, but...Paikuhan's theme! And Trunks Appears. And, and... Super Buu theme? :'(
I actually like Pikkon's theme and Super Buu theme, honestly. I'll throw those in, too. :)

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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Mon May 25, 2015 3:59 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:Couldn't Goku contact him from the other world? Why didn't Trunks ever even bother to go to the lookout? Pretty safe up there. I'm sure Bulma knew about it. >_>;
Goku isn't exactly the sharpest crayon in thee box, to be fair, and Bulma didn't know about the lookout until Imperfect Cell showed up, iirc.
Not to mention Goku died of natural causes.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by B » Mon May 25, 2015 9:53 pm

Toriyama ran out of things for non-fighting/less powerful characters not named "Krillin" or "Piccolo" to do.
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by theoriginalbilis » Tue May 26, 2015 1:56 am

Son Kai wrote:What are the defects of Dragon Ball?
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Nah, just funnin'. I love this community.

But seriously, here's what I would consider to be nitpicks, not really "defects":
- I do agree that the characters tend to fall back on the DragonBalls quite a bit. 'Specially in GT, even though they tried to rectify it with the Evil Dragons arc.
- The non-Saiyan characters do tend to fall by the wayside.
- Sumitomo's serviceable but unmemorable score.
- DragonBall Evolution
- The Kai music scandal. But it was an inevitability.
- The slight decline of Toriyama's art and writing during the Buu arc of the manga. One can tell he was getting burnt out.
- Six different English replacement scores for one series. Five of them produced by one company (FUNimation). Did they really need to spend that money on different music when they could've put those resources into better adaptation and acting?
- 2008 JSAT Special unavailable outside Japan.
- The Buu arc of Kai. Watchable, but disappointing with all the retained filler content.
- No more "Full Color" releases from Viz for the foreseeable future.
- The lowered violence level of recent material. It doesn't really lower my enjoyment of Toei and Toriyama's work; I just enjoy trashy violence in my cartoons.
- No 4:3 BR release of the complete original DBZ. Kai doesn't count.
- No release with the Japanese broadcast-audio.
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Re: What are the defects of Dragon Ball?

Post by Son Kai » Wed May 27, 2015 10:24 pm

So...about the soundtracks,i dont care about this because I live in Brazil,and we watched Dragon Ball with the original soundtrack xD
The "Other World" in Dragon Ball is very poorly explained! Akira never explained well things like the Other World rules,explaining how the reincarnation works (The Hell in the anime is TERRIBLE!!! Its a simple place with a beautiful square! Its ridiculous!!) He doesn't explained the transformations of Boo very well too.
I noticed an error in Fukkatsu no F too...How Freeza revived if Shen Long just can revive people during a period of one year?? Freeza died decades ago,his soul should have been prepared for the reincarnation!

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